Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt01155)

Daniel,

But, why do you call that bunch of gross lies against the Masters and HPB  "negative accounts"?

I am sure you can see the difference between a "negative account", a criticism, and a pure collection of lies, like the ones you published. Can't you?  

If you KNOW and you ADMIT those things are FALSE,  why divulge them in such an intense way? 

Waiting for your clarification,  Carlos. 




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Data:Fri, 24 Nov 2006 18:06:20 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World 2 Excerpts of Mine Showing Why I Published Negative Accounts

> Carlos,
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> You write:
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> I would like to have a clear explanation, from you, on why 
> publicizing things you know are false, and which attack the Masters 
> and HPB...."
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> 
> I have written on NUMEROUS occasions my clear explanation. 
> 
> Have you read and tried to understand what I have written on this 
> subject? I wonder.
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> But I give BELOW 2 excerpts from my previous postings which explain 
> my rationale.
> 
> I am not expecting you to understand, let alone agree with my view 
> and policy!!
> 
> Furthermore, I could care less if you either understand or agree with 
> what I say. But I post them for the record and for readers who are 
> possibly interested.
> 
> So BELOW are the 2 excerpts
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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> FIRST EXCERPT:
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> ...In regards to Aveline's comments about the adding of
> negative accounts by Coulomb and Hodgson, etc. to the
> TPH Wheaton edition of my book THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF
> MADAME BLAVATSKY, it was MY decision and only MY
> decision [not TPH Wheaton] to add them so that readers
> could see what the charges against HPB actually were,
> ESPECIALLY since many of the other accounts by
> "friendly" witnesses refer to these charges, and even
> make comments about the charges, etc.
> 
> I saw no good reason to hide the "negative" accounts
> from readers....One might conclude from his various
> comments that Mr. Aveline doesn't want readers to read
> these accounts for themselves and come to their own
> conclusions.
> 
> Also by giving these accounts in my book, the reader
> can start to UNDERSTAND the RELEVANCE of what the
> other witnesses say in their accounts.
> 
> Furthermore, I was motivated to include them in light
> of what Madame Blavatsky once wrote:
> 
> "...Contrast alone can enable us to appreciate things
> at their right value; and unless a judge compares
> notes and hears both sides he can hardly come to a
> correct decision." H.P. Blavatsky. The Theosophist,
> July, 1881, p. 218.
> 
> I wanted the reader to be able to compare notes and
> hear both sides. What is wrong with that? Doesn't Mr.
> Aveline want readers to do their own comparing of
> notes, etc.?
> 
> And CONTRARY to what Mr. Aveline writes, some of the
> editorial notes in my book do call the reader's
> attention to the conflicting testimony and even to the
> falsity of the charges against HPB....
> 
> Furthermore, I specifically selected the material by
> Coulomb and Hodgson to put in JUXTAPOSITION with other
> accounts which show that what they (Coulomb and
> Hodgson) say about, for example, the appearances of
> the Masters, must surely be off the mark, to say the
> least or as I believe.....wrong...false.
> 
> If anything, the accounts by the above "enemies" of
> HPB found next to other accounts will make the reader
> .... THINK .... about the charges and their validity.
> And if they are perceptive at all, they should (at the
> very least) conclude that the Coulomb/Hodgson charges
> should not be taken at face value WITHOUT carefully
> considering other material which is also found in the
> book or what can be found in greater detail in the
> Waterman and Harrison books.
> 
> Some of the thoughtful readers of my book may actually
> dig deeper and try to determine for themselves what
> really happened....instead of believing either Aveline
> or me!!...
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> 
> 
> SECOND EXCERPT:
> 
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> ...I just wanted to make the book "better"....by adding more RARE
> material that I had discovered since the first edition was
> published...material about the Masters, etc. ... and yes I wanted
> to add more "negative" material...
> 
> First of all, a number of readers had written me after reading the
> first edition, wanting to know more about the Hodgson/Coulomb
> charges...What did Coulomb and Hodgson say? also I thought it was
> a good idea to give some details in Coulomb's and Hodgson's own
> words especially about the appearances of the Masters so readers
> could read all that and ALSO read what the other witnesses said
> about how the Masters appeared. Call it COMPARE AND CONTRAST.
> 
> I guess I was foolish enough to believe that readers would actually
> appreciate having access to some of what Coulomb and Hodgson said!
> But I guess I didn't understand the psychology of the "true
> believer"! Who knows!!
> 
> The Coulomb and Hodgson testimony appears downright silly (at least
> to me!) when you compare their explanations with those testimonies
> of the witnesses who were privileged to see the Masters...all of
> that is in my Quest book edition.....Some perceptive readers may
> have picked up on that....So why hide the Coulomb/Hodgson testimony
> from readers????
> 
> And I don't know if I have ever explained this before, but when
> selecting material for both the original edition as well as the
> Quest book edition of my book I purposely selected material for
> inclusion that filled in the gaps in the one sided presentation of
> both the Meade and Johnson books on HPB and the Masters. I can show
> you testimony after testimony that I added for the very reason that
> Meade and Johnson downplayed or simply omitted this relevant
> testimony....
> 
> And as far as the issue of including more negative accounts of
> Madame Blavatsky in my book, I am even more convinced that such
> material should be included. People have a right to have access to
> this material. I wanted to read this material as I tried to
> understand Madame Blavatsky in earlier years of my own quest. So why
> should I hide it from readers?
> 
> If readers are somehow confused or thrown off by this material, then
> so be it. Maybe they should simply return to some simple new age
> belief or return to whatever ism or ology they used to believe in.
> 
> Many years ago I left several orthodox faiths for the very reason
> that these isms encourage one not to ask questions, not to look at
> the opposing view, etc. etc.
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