Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00933)

Daniel,

Let us know when you send this same email of yours (see below) for the 665th time...   :) 

Still, no substance, except, perhaps, for one word which is discussed. 

Carlos. 

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Data:Thu, 16 Nov 2006 16:11:27 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos --- the number "665" & Wes Amerman's Reply

> Carlos,
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> You wrote:
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> I suppose someone may have come to the number "665" ( see below) by 
> mediumnistic methods, or by public lottery, since we are not given 
> substance about that. 
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> What vague and distracting comments!
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> First of all, the "someone" was Dr. H.N.Stokes. You knew that if you 
> had read what I wrote. He is the person who took the time and effort 
> to research the subject. He came up with that number. No he didn't 
> do it thru mediumship but thru research, etc.
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> Just as he revealed much about Leadbeater and Besant in his O.E. 
> LIBRARY CRITIC, he also did research on, for example, this subject as 
> well as the material about the relationship between Mr. Judge and 
> Mrs. Tingley. In both of these latter cases, he simply pointed out 
> facts that apparently ULT/Theosophy Company writers didn't want to 
> deal with.
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> In my posting I gave some noted examples of the changes. Hundreds of 
> other examples could be given. If you would do a simple comparison 
> yourself, you would see that what Dr. Stokes and Walter Carrithers 
> wrote and spoke about is true.
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> You continue:
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> The corrections, if really made, should be useful. Similar 
> acusations are made against Boris de Zirkoff. Yet Boris, Pasadena, 
> Point Loma and the ULT have played major roles in preserving the 
> teaching. With help from Adyar in many cases (Boris, for instance).
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> Well, was the "thin oblongs" correction useful??
> 
> Did you read Peter Merriott's objection and analysis of 
> this "correction"?
> 
> One would think that you might be somewhat concerned if indeed the 
> Theosophy Co. edition of the VOICE has "corrections" made not only by 
> Judge but also by Besant and Mead!! 
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> Ask your friend Jerome Wheeler for more details about the Besant/Mead 
> connection.
> 
> See also: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37651
> 
> Who do you think "tampered" with the 1893 edition of the SD?
> 
> It appears that you simply do NOT want to admit that there are some 
> serious problems with the Theosophy Co. edition of the VOICE.
> 
> In comparison, see how Wes Amerman responded in a open and forthright 
> way to my findings about the TC edition of the VOICE. I thought his 
> response was admirable and shows that at least he is not one to "beat 
> around the bush" and that he neither ignores obvious facts nor 
> uses the DENIAL technique. :)
> 
> Wes wrote:
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> You are right that regardless of the level or amount of HPB's praise 
> for Judge or anyone else, it does not explain whether any 
> particular "correction" was justified. Therefore, I agree with Peter 
> Merriott that, for example, HPB's phrase "thin oblong squares" should 
> not have been changed.
> 
> I agree that readers should know what changes are made to a text, and 
> by whom. Therefore I agree with your assessment that Dallas' comments 
> should also apply to Judge's corrections of "The Voice of the 
> Silence." Your solution of affixing a note or label of some sort in 
> our current edition of that work has merit, and I will take it up 
> with my colleagues at the next available opportunity.
> 
> Similarly, I will suggest that when it comes time to re-print 
> the "Voice," thatwe do so as she originally wrote it.
> 
> This would be entirely consistent with the "hands off" editorial 
> policy of The Theosophy Company. More than that, I am not sure what 
> it is that you suggest we do.
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> Quoted from: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/12064
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> Do you know who Wes Amerman is?
> 
> Wes wrote his reply in 2003. As far as I know, the TC is still 
> selling the 1928 version but there is hope that maybe Wes' view will 
> prevail and that one day the TC board of directors will vote to 
> reprint a facsimile edition of HPB's original.
> 
> Daniel
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