Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00919)

Carlos,

You also are known for posting an item multiple
times. :)

Plus it was worth posting this time because
Konstantin made a valuable reply to this posting.

See his comments on the TC edition of the VOICE at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37654

Would you like to comment on what he wrote?

More light needs to be thrown on this subject....

Daniel
http://hpb.cc



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
>
> Daniel,
> 
> This might be 333rd edition of this posting of yours. One of your 
champions in the last few weeks. 
> 
> Are you so certain it is necessary to repeat your things all these 
times? 
> 
> Feel free any way. 
> 
> Carlos. 
> 
>  
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> 
> Cópia:
> 
> Data:Thu, 16 Nov 2006 02:44:01 -0000
> 
> Assunto:Theos-World "Tampering" (?) with H.P.B.'s "The Voice of the 
Silence"
> 
> > "Tampering" (?) with 
> > HPB's "The Voice of the Silence" 
> > 
> > Earlier this year, Mr. Carlos Aveline wrote to Betty Bland about
> > Adyar's "tampering" with HPB's THE SECRET DOCTRINE.
> > 
> > Students of HPB's writings interested in the above subject may 
also
> > be interested in the following:
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Tampering (?) with HPB's "The Voice of the Silence"
> > 
> > by Daniel H. Caldwell
> > 
> > I would like to start this article by quoting
> > two excerpts from what the late Dallas TenBroeck wrote several 
years
> > ago on Theos-Talk about HPB's writings:
> > 
> > "If accuracy is desired the best way to secure this is to go
> > direct to the ORIGINAL (un-edited) text of HPB's
> > books and articles."
> > 
> > "After HPB died several of her students, in time, claimed to be
> > able to 'correct' her writings, and proceeded to do this. Also,
> > most of her writings . . . were amended and edited without any
> > notes to advise readers of the changes made. . . ."
> > 
> > In 1928, The Theosophy Company of Los Angeles
> > issued the following edition of the Voice:
> > 
> > Author: Blavatsky, H. P. (Helena Petrovna)
> > Title: The voice of the silence. . . /
> > translated and annotated by H.P.B.
> > Published: Los Angeles : Theosophy Co., 1928.
> > Description: iv, 110 p. : port. ; 15 cm.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, there are numerous changes
> > between the original 1889 edition of HPB's THE
> > VOICE and the Theosophy Company's edition.
> > 
> > In 1928 in the O.E. LIBRARY CRITIC,
> > Dr. H.N. Stokes commented on these changes
> > in the Theosophy Company's edition of the VOICE.
> > He wrote:
> > 
> > "There are 665 points of differences, of one sort
> > or another, viz.
> > 
> > In the preface. . . . . . . . 34
> > In the text. . . . . . . . . 274
> > In the notes. . . . . . . . .357
> > 
> > "These. . . consist of changes in punctuation, italics,
> > quotation marks, capitals, spelling of Sanskrit words,
> > omission of the important diacritical marks over the vowels,
> > and OTHERS. This averages one change to every three or
> > four lines." Caps added.
> > 
> > When compared to the original 1889 edition, one also finds
> > that many of HPB's words have been deleted or modified and
> > even new words have been added in this edition published by
> > the Theosophy Company.
> > 
> > Below are examples of some of these changes. Asterisks
> > indicate italics.
> > 
> > On page vii of the original Preface, HPB wrote:
> > 
> > "The original *Precepts* are engraved on thin
> > oblong squares; copies very often on discs."
> > 
> > The Theosophy Company's edition reads (p. ii):
> > 
> > "The original *Precepts* are engraved on thin
> > oblongs; copies very often on discs."
> > 
> > Notice the deletion of the word "squares." Also the
> > editorial change of "oblong" into "oblongs."
> > 
> > On p. 73 of the original VOICE, HPB wrote:
> > 
> > > The "great Master" is the term used by *lanoos* or
> > > chelas to indicate one's "Higher Self."
> > 
> > The Theosophy Company's edition reads (p. 3):
> > 
> > > The "great Master" is the term used by
> > > Lanoos or Chelas to indicate the HIGHER SELF.
> > 
> > As one can see, there are several changes in this one sentence
> > including deleting a word and adding another.
> > 
> > 
> > Again, HPB in the original wrote on pp. 74-75:
> > 
> > > It stands generally for the 100 years or "age" of Brahma, the
> > > duration of a Kalpa or a period of 4,320,000,000 years.
> > 
> > The Theosophy Company's edition reads (p. 5):
> > 
> > > It stands generally for the 100 years or "age" of Brahma, the
> > > duration of a Maha-Kalpa or a period of
> > > 311,040,000,000,000 years.
> > 
> > The Theosophy Company's edition has apparently "corrected"
> > and "improved" HPB's original.
> > 
> > 
> > Again, the 1889 edition, p. 78:
> > 
> > > These mystic sounds or the melody heard by the ascetic . . . .
> > 
> > The TC edition changes this to (p. 19):
> > 
> > > The mystic sounds, or the melody, heard by the ascetic . . . .
> > 
> > "These" has been changed to "The"
> > 
> > Is this an "improvement"? Is this a "correction"?
> > 
> > 
> > Again, the original VOICE, p. 87:
> > 
> > > *Upadya* is a spiritual perceptor, a Guru.
> > 
> > The TC editions reads (p. 49):
> > 
> > > *Upadhyaya* is a spiritual preceptor, a Guru.
> > 
> > Is this another "correction" of HPB's Sanskrit scholarship?
> > 
> > 
> > Once, again, the original VOICE reads on p. 82:
> > 
> > > Bodhidharma called them in China---from whence
> > > the names reached Tibet---the *Tsung-men* (esoteric)
> > > and *Kiau-men* (exoteric school).
> > 
> > The TC edition changes this passage to read: (p. 25)
> > 
> > > The *Bodhidharma*, Wisdom Religion in China---
> > > whence the names reached Tibet---called them the
> > > *Tsung-men* (Esoteric) and *Kiau-men* (Exoteric
> > > school).
> > 
> > 
> > On pp. x-xi of the original, one finds the following:
> > 
> > > . . . (*Bhagavatgita II*. 70). . . .
> > 
> > > . . . (*Bhagavatgita II*. 27). . . .
> > 
> > The TC edition (p. iv) changes the spelling of this Hindu text and
> > deletes the numbers "70" and "27".
> > 
> > Are these more editorial "corrections"?
> > 
> > The above examples document that some of HPB's own words
> > have been changed as well as deleted. Are these "improvements"
> > and/or "corrections"?
> > 
> > Also the spelling of many Sanskrit words has been
> > changed in the TC edition when compared with
> > the original 1889 edition of the VOICE.
> > 
> > HPB took great pains to put certain words and phrases in
> > italics or caps in the original edition of the VOICE.
> > In the 1928 edition of the VOICE, scores of
> > changes in italics and caps can be observed.
> > Therefore, many serious students of HPB's writings
> > have reasonably concluded that these changes marr
> > what HPB intentionally and consciously wanted to
> > emphasize or convey to readers of that work.
> > 
> > SUMMARY:
> > 
> > All of the changes as given above certainly indicate that the
> > Theosophy Company's version of HPB's classic has been EDITED.
> > 
> > Furthermore, for some unknown reason the Theosophy Company
> > NEVER indicated to readers of the 1928 edition or in any 
subsequent
> > reprints that there are numerous changes and corrections
> > made in this edition that were NOT in Madame Blavatsky's
> > original.
> > 
> > Hence, whole generations of ULT students and other
> > readers of the Theosophy Company's edition of HPB's THE VOICE OF 
THE
> > SILENCE have been totally unaware that said edition was not 
verbatim
> > with HPB's first edition of 1889.
> > 
> > See related articles at:
> > 
> > http://theos-talk.com/archives/200005/tt00022.html
> > 
> > http://theos-talk.com/archives/200005/tt00024.html
> > 
> > http://theos-talk.com/archives/200005/tt00075.html
> > 
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/37651
> > 
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > E-mail classificado pelo Identificador de Spam Inteligente Terra.
> > Para alterar a categoria classificada, visite
> > http://mail.terra.com.br/protected_email/imail/imail.cgi?
+_u=carlosaveline&_l=1,1163645495.22205.4929.tulear.hst.terra.com.br,9
660,Des15,Des15
> > 
> > Esta mensagem foi verificada pelo E-mail Protegido Terra.
> > Scan engine: McAfee VirusScan / Atualizado em 15/11/2006 / 
Versão: 4.4.00/4896
> > Proteja o seu e-mail Terra: http://mail.terra.com.br/
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>