Re: Theos-World Crowley and CWL
Nov 13, 2006 12:13 PM
by Theo Paijmans
There is, of course, an unclear understanding of exactly *how and by
whom* the infamous sexual rites crept into the OTO. These were not
injected by Crowley - although he busied himself with these too before
he became acquainted with the OTO, but rather by Karl Kellner who was
well versed in the arcane byways of yoga, and Theodor Reuss himself.
That is why Crowley and Reuss got along as they did anyhow.
As to sexual rites and techniques in western occultism; neither were
Kellner, Reuss and Crowley the firsts; for their pangenitor we need to
look at Pascah Beverly Randolph - cofounder of the Brotherhood of Luxor
and - which founder of the Theosophical movement is claimed was a member
of that affiliation again?
regards,
Theo
regards,
Theo
carlosaveline wrote:
> Carl,
>
> Thanks for the clarifications.
>
> Still, as I said, "Dr. Gregory Tillett writes quite a lot about the
> Ordo of Templi
> Orientis (O.T.O.) and its dire "magical sexual techiniques" created by
> Aleister Crowley."
>
> So A. Crowley had something in common with C. Leadbeater.
>
> And this "something" happens to turn his "occultism" completely
> incompatible with the theosophical philosophy of life taught by HPB,
> Damodar, Subba Row and the Masters. Which has to do with Raja Yoga,
> Jnana Yoga and Karma Yoga, combined, but adapted in each case to the
> temperament and conditions of individual students.
>
> (Of course there are also Western names for that.)
>
> Carlos.
>
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Mon, 13 Nov 2006 01:56:49 -0000
>
> Assunto:Theos-World Re: O.T.O. and CWL
>
> > Carlos,
> > The OTO before Crowley was not the same as it was under him, and not
> > as the various OTOs one can find today.
> >
> > CWL would never been aloud as an OTO-members (or even visit a public
> > meeting, or have any contacts at al) under Crowley, for if he hated
> > and disgusted someone, that one was Leadbeater. And Crowley didn't
> > liked Wedgwood (whom C. considered to be some kind of sub-human,
> > totally controlled by CWL), or Besant (C.'s opinion was that AB
> > destroyed both Theosophy and the TS), ether, so it is pointless to
> > look for any of them in the history of OTO. Wedgwood maybe belonged
> > to OTO before Crowley, put as soon Crowley to over after Reuss;
> > Wedgwood never could have stain for long (not even days).
> >
> > In the "Confessions of Aleister Crowley", one can find al of his
> > opinions about this persons, and that so often I hade the chance,
> > not hesitated to tell them that I person, straight in the face,
> > which he did several times.
> >
> > Carl
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>, "carlosaveline"
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Friends,
> > >
> > > Dr. Gregory Tillett writes quite a lot about the Ordo of Templi
> > Orientis (O.T.O.) and its dire "magical sexual techiniques" created
> > by Aleister Crowley.
> > >
> > > For those who can stand the subject in details, it is in the
> > book "The Elder Brother", pp. 284-285 and others.
> > >
> > > The O.T.O. had links with "bishop" Leadbeater and his "pupil"
> > Oscar Köllerstrom. The thing stinks.
> > >
> > >
> > > Carlos.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com <mailto:theos-talk%40yahoogroups.com>
> > >
> > > Cópia:
> > >
> > > Data:Sat, 11 Nov 2006 14:46:16 EST
> > >
> > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: Anna Sprengler
> > >
> > > > Carl,
> > > > May I inquire I see that there is content of Frau Anna Sprengler
> > in the
> > > > way you describe online. I also see that decades later there is
> > reference to a
> > > > "Alice Sprengler" who was associated in the O.T.O. Group of
> > Zurich which was
> > > > dissolved in 1947. There is mention of a Frau Gundala Bader who
> > returned it's
> > > > documents to Jantzen who was Frau Sprengel's legal heiress. The
> > question I ask
> > > > is it possible that Alice Sprengler of Nuremberg was the
> > daughter of Frau Anna
> > > > Sprengler? The Jantzen name is written of in later years about
> > organizations
> > > > and Frater Saturninus. But this may indicate a trail for the
> > documents you
> > > > want to find.
> > > > See linl content below:
> > > >
> > > > Fraternitas Saturni : History -- Eugen Grosche - Guido Wolther -
> > Walter
> > > > Jantsch
> > > >
> > > > Regards John
> > > >
> > > >
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