Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00781)

Adelasie,

It might help to say that I don't remember having condemned anyone's intentions, or motives, as such, here or elsewhere. 

I made a point about the importance of having a "right intention or motive", in life in general as in every moment of life.   HPB, Masters,  Confucius,  Jesus, and Life itself teach that, to my view. 

It is due to some kind of disguised bigotry and intolerance,  perhaps, that sometimes people actually condemn those persons whom they WANT to see as condemning somebody. 

For instance, I have been discussing actions and policies, especially editorial policies, here, that I remember.  I use to mention sources, I prefer discussing facts and I avoid saying things out of thin air. 

But I recognize people's right to condemn anyone's motives and intentions without knowing them, including mine, because I accept people's right to "free speech" in Theos-talk.  Just as I have that same right. 

I only say: 

"We all judge,or evaluate, or make an image of things, actions and sometimes people. There is no need to make believe we do not do that."


If we are honest about this and accept the fact that we do evaluate, assess and judge (which is different from condemning, please see that) -- then we can try to judge people is a more fair and a brighter  way, keeping the eyes open to see new and old facts under different lights. 

It's no use making believe, because if think we  "do not judge", then our judgments will be unconscious, poorer,  and most likely less than fair. 

To that I want to add that I respect both your motives and your opinions, different from mine though they may be. 

Regards,  Carlos.  


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Data:Mon, 13 Nov 2006 06:43:09 -0800

Assunto:Re: Theos-World PEOPLE'S MOTIVES

> Carlos,
> 
> It might help to consider that there is a difference between making a 
> judgment about a person's actions, that which we see them do or hear 
> them say, and making a judgment about a person's motives for doing 
> so. The former could be said to be some of the material we use in 
> learning how to apply the Laws of Nature to life on earth. The latter 
> simply belongs to the mystery of the human heart, and remains 
> unknowable to another. 
> 
> If I have a lot of opinions about the difference between judging 
> others and not judging others, it is probably because I have 
> struggled with this issue for a long time. While it is easy for me to 
> see that judging others is not a good idea (it says so in our 
> literature where it is explained very clearly what is meant, and this 
> always made sense to me), putting this information into daily 
> practice presents more of a challenge to me. We never know anything 
> until we live through it and sort it out "where the tire meets the 
> road," so to speak, so I offer what I have been working out during my 
> life. If it doesn't sound right to you, so be it. But I will offer it 
> anyway, since it has taken some trouble to come to even this much 
> understanding. Aren't we all in the same boat? 
> 
> On 13 Nov 2006 at 11:06, carlosaveline wrote:
> 
> > Adelasie,
> > 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > You say: 
> > 
> > "But nowhere does thesosophy support making judgements about our brothers and sisters based on our opinion of their motives."
> > 
> > I say:
> > 
> > "Then you should not judge anyone, too, should you?"
> > 
> > I tried to say that trees can be judge by their fruits. Now I add: "non-judging people" can be most judgmental in their own way. radical And insistently so! 
> > 
> > They have a right to be judge and evaluate, of course. But it may be no use making believe they do not do so....
> > 
> > Carlos. 
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