Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00680)

Adelasie,

Thanks.

Trees can be known by their fruits.

Or do you believe that Hitler's and Mussolini's intentions during the Second World War might have been "good or bad", you can't see anything about that?

Or do you believe, to name but a few examples,  that Mahatma Gandhi , Mother Theresa , St. John of the Cross,  Giordano Bruno and HPB might have good  intentions, or bad intentions, "God only knows" and you do not have a clue about that, hence you are "morally indifferent" as you look at their lives? 

The matter of the fact is that,  according to not only History, but every religion, philosophy  and esoteric philosophy tell us, yes --  other people's intentions can be often more or less identified by observing their actions and looking at the fruits of their actions.  

(The main task is, of course,  to take care of our own intentions.) 

I am sure you do not wash your hands, like that famous Roman Judge, before every ethical question life poses before you.

Carlos. 


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Data:Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:51:40 -0800

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: HPB, ON MOTIVES

> Carlos,
> 
> The quote was, "Who care's about anyone's motives?" and my comment is 
> that other people's motives are essentially impossible to know. All 
> we know is our own motives. We can speculate about others, but our 
> speculations are only that, and not reliable. It's an important part 
> of thesophical teaching, to learn that we have no right to judge 
> others, simply because we cannot really know what goes on in another 
> person's heart and mind.
> 
> Adelasie
> 
> On 11 Nov 2006 at 11:53, carlosaveline wrote:
> 
> > Adelasie,
> > 
> > Thanks for your commentaries. 
> > 
> > I do agree that, as you say, "there is a big difference between 'caring' about one's own motive, and 'caring' about someone else's motive". 
> > 
> > I even have said that earlier.
> > 
> > 
> > However, while one should not have 'final opinions' about other people's motives, one may fulfil the duty of defending one's teachers from obvious lies and slanders. 
> > 
> > There are things said about this, in some "esoteric papers" which Daniel published and publicized, but did not read, or did not pay attention to. 
> > 
> > 
> > The main point, of course, is that motives are important; they are central; and they should be examined mainly at the individual level; each one observing each one's own motives. 
> > 
> > I was checking something which circulated here -- "who cares about motives?" 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:33:45 -0800
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> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World HPB, ON MOTIVES
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > Perhaps you would agree, however, that there is a big difference 
> > > between "caring" about one's own motive, and "caring" about someone 
> > > else's motive. The former is our own very important responsibility. 
> > > The latter is none of our business.
> > > 
> > > Adelasie
> > > 
> > > On 10 Nov 2006 at 10:25, carlosaveline wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Friends,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > It has been asked in Theos-talk: 
> > > > 
> > > > "Who cares about anyone´s motives?"
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