Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00430)

Daniel,

One has to understand the past, and therefore History, so that one can get gradually free  from any unlearned lessons and live the present moment to plant more and more good Karma. 

The 'present moment', though, for the esoteric philosophy, includes all past lessons and all seeds of the future. 

Learning the lessons from History (our personal history or otherwise) allows us to live better. 


Regards,   Carlos. 

 


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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Carlos and the Past: The Importance of the Past and of History

> Carlos in his posting titled "Krishnamurtians & the Past" writes:
> 
> "Of course one can see that for Krishnamurtians the past is void of 
> meaning, especially void of lessons, and Ms. Radha has nearly said 
> that in her 2006 letter to me, on William Judge and the "Case" 
> against him."
> 
> But does Carlos agree with the Krishnamurtians about the past?
> 
> Is the past void of meaning and ESPECIALLY void of lessons?
> 
> I ask this because Carlos in a number of other recent postings seems 
> to almost downplay "history".
> 
> He writes:
> 
> "This is [mere?] History, though interesting."
> 
> "The issue for us now is, are we seriously decided to live the 
> philosophy of Theosophy in our lives?"
> 
> And apparently in reply to my posting concerning the truthfulness of 
> 8 Theosophical Claims/Statements, Carlos seems to comment almost with 
> a sneer (?) ----
> 
> "And what about the gossips around the British Royal family?"
> 
> "Wouldn't that be more 'fascinating'?"
> 
> Does that mean Carlos is not interested in factual history? Does 
> that kind of reply by Carlos mean that the giving of accurate 
> historical information is not important to Carlos? That correct 
> historical information about past Theosophical events has little or 
> no meaning or relevance to Carlos?
> 
> I give readers below 2 quotes to compare and contrast with what 
> Carlos has written. 
> 
> One quote is from the Master KH and the other is from Walter A. 
> Carrithers, Jr., one of the foremost Theosophical historians of 
> modern times, who (under his pseudonym Adlai E. Waterman) 
> wrote "OBITUARY: The Hodgson Report on Madame Blavatsky".
> 
> Notice the importance Mr. Carrithers gives to history and the pursuit 
> of historical truth.
> 
> Quote 1
> ========================================================
> Madmen are they, who, speculating but upon the present, wilfully shut 
> their eyes to the past when made already to remain naturally blind to 
> the future!
> =======================================================
> The Mahatma Koot Hoomi
> 
> 
> Quote 2
> ==========================================================
> In 1974, on the very eve of this Cycle, this writer observed 
> that, "the importance of history is but one degree removed from the 
> importance of philosophy itself... Madame Blavatsky's greatest books, 
> Isis Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine, are compendiums of history
> as much as of philosophy... So, history devoid of fact is myth; just 
> as philosophy divorced from action and unjustified by history is no 
> better than myth".... 
> 
> ...In my privately duplicated monograph of 25 December 1977, with 
> very limited circulation, "1877-1977: Shambhalha's Fifth 'Centennial 
> Effort' Gives Birth to the Sixth," one reads:
> 
> "The Message of H.P. Blavatsky was fourfold: Primordial Budhism, The 
> Living Ancient Wisdom, expressed in terms of: (1) Philosophy, (2) 
> Science, (3) Ethics, and (4) History. The fourth of these has been 
> the least appreciated ... And yet, without a solid historical base in 
> factual events on this globe, without experiential reality in the 
> life of the Human Race - without individuals and groups, -
> the 'carriers' and their 'footprints on the sands of time,' their 
> beginnings, landmarks, vicissitudes and defeats along the way, up to 
> and including the span of H.P.B's Mission, and right down to this 
> very day -, the Philosophy, the Science, and the Ethics which 
> constitute Occultism (if these could be said to exist at all without 
> objective experiences) would be no better than myth... Madame 
> Blavatsky sought always to disclose and trace back, step-by-step thru 
> clues and facts of known history (by citing a myriad of authorities 
> whom scholars could respect), the moral, spritual and intellectual 
> roots and runners of the Wisdom-Religion and its arch-Bearers, as are 
> to be found imbedded in the annals of historical record ancient and 
> modern. This was a most extraordinary departure from the common mode 
> of so-called occult teaching..." 
> 
> Continuing, in 1977 I maintained that what theosophists had one-and-
> all "never guessed, was that the level of wisdom already provided and 
> intended by the Chohans of Shambhalha to be [in 1975 and after] the 
> one true and only 'installment', one prepared and fitted for this 
> present generation and for the new Cycle now underway... was to be 
> (and is) something quite different than the expected, an (unforseen) 
> Message that is rooted in and springs from history, particularly the 
> course of history which runs back 146 years to 1831 and beyond to the 
> earliest physical beginnings of preparation for the last Mission from 
> the World-Center of Occult Truth (a Mission that was far, far more 
> important - to the past that preceded it, to the present, and to the 
> future - than ever has been guessed!)." 
> 
> The challenge and "task" of delineating this history was seen to 
> be "not something that can be approached by anyone beholden to 
> organized theosophy or to anyone of its centers; nor can it be 
> undertaken for the contrived purpose of aggrandizing some 'successor 
> to HPB' or someone living, neither some 'line of succession.' It must 
> be an over-view of events such as can be seen only by one 
> conscientiously dedicated solely to the truthful defence and 
> vindication of HPB and her Brother-Adepts and Their 1875-1891 
> Teaching."
> 
> And that there are the necessary historical records available to 
> assure the success of this task, testifies to the fruitfulness of the 
> clash and conflict of opinions on historical matters, as in
> the tides of controversy, polemics, attacks and counter-attacks, 
> rebuttals, surrebuttals and attempted justifications of beliefs - 
> from the Childs-Holmes case and the Coulomb-missionary-
> SPR Committee conspiracies, down through the Judge-Besant battle to 
> the warring of separate camps of organized theosophy in this century, 
> and similar skirmishes unto this day. Each, for party purposes, has 
> forced the public disclosure of testimony and privately-held evidence,
> sometimes of crucial importance in the pursuit of truth, which 
> otherwise would have been ignored and irretrievably lost to history 
> and historians. Thus, too, has been provided - as nothing else could -
> the necessary grist for "the mills of the gods" in this significant 
> last-quarter of the XXth Century. 
> 
> I repeat with emphasis what I declared more than two decades ago: no 
> telling defence of Mme Blavatsky could ever have been made without 
> the help of Mme Coulomb's pamphlet of November 1884, nor if lacking 
> Dr Richard Hodgson's Report of l885! And we may be sure that if this 
> Movement had at once assumed a monolithic character behind a tranquil
> facade, the public record and its prospects for the truth-seeking 
> historian today would be only whatever bland recital of self-
> glorification that monolith's own lackey-historians would have
> wanted it to be - 'canned history' impenetrable from without and free 
> of the spur of informed criticism. 
> 
> (Even now, I myself have been summarily denied-by two of the three 
> major worldcenters of organized theosophy - access to printed 
> documents privately issued almost one-hundred years ago!) 
> 
> Instead, original and essential documentation has survived (and even 
> when, at one most critical juncture, a 'communication from the 
> Masters' was received 'ordering' some of it to be destroyed!), and, 
> to a great degree, is spread before the world of this and future 
> generations in a manner no censor could supress, resulting in 
> something almost unprecedented in "the history of religions"!
> ==========================================================
> Walter A. Carrithers., Jr.
> 
> Food for thought....
> 
> Daniel
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