Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00336)

Ken,


Thanks.  No doubt, useful historical information as to Tingley's work.

I see no clear signs of involvement of  W. Judge or Crosbie with Masonry, and I certainly have seen no signs of involvement of the ULT with this or other forms of ceremonial activities. 

So I still keep -- based on available evidences -- the conclusion that the original proposal of the TS dis not include Masonry or ritualism, which is consistent with HPB's writings.

Note that she recommended a clear distinction between the magnetic fields of 
Masonry and Theosophical Movement.

And that was the childhood of the movement.

It should get more mature by now, with its own pedagogy and relying on its own methods, non-ritualistic. 

Regards,   Carlos. 

 



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Data:Mon, 06 Nov 2006 08:21:43 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: HPB's Esoteric Section & Masonry

> Daniel, Carlos, Carl et al -
> 
> In Point Loma history I do know that Joseph Fussell was a 32nd 
> degree Mason as was Iverson Harris Sr. and almost all of Katherine 
> Tingleys cabinet members as well as many members in the Point Loma 
> society at that time. In addition, for example, when Tingley 
> initiated her school in Cuba and extended Theosophical work there it 
> was through the support of Emilio Bacardi mayor of Santiago and who 
> was influential in Masonry in Cuba. Tingley clearly states his 
> Masonic status implying it is his link to Theosophy. Fussell also 
> wrote a number of articles on Masonry in the Point Loma issued 
> magazine during the 1930's 'The Theosophical Forum'. I will check 
> these for specifics when I have a chance. The above are all clearly 
> documented. The 'oral history' from Point Loma that I understand is 
> that William Q. Judge was a Mason and encouraged those around him to 
> also join and that Tingley followed this idea. For example, I think 
> also Cyrus Field Willard who worked closely with Judge was a Mason. 
> I do not have any historical documents to verify the point about 
> Judge or Willard, (perhaps this info would be in Willard's bio in 
> the BCW ?) but will look at our archive and ask others for 
> clarification. It is also very probable that Robert Crosbie could 
> have been a Mason and this should also be checked. I also know that 
> Jan Venema a prominent Dutch Point Loma Theosophist deeply involved 
> in Masonry (he was the President of the Dutch section under Purucker 
> and the later independent Point Loma group in the Hague which 
> continues today) more recently (through the 1970's), indicated a 
> current English Masonic group he belonged to that he considered to 
> have a genuine esoteric-Theosophic source. 
> 
> Ken
> Point Loma Publications - www.wisdomtraditions.com 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "danielhcaldwell" 
> wrote:
> >
> > One of my correspondents just wrote me the following observation 
> with 
> > a question.
> > 
> > I give most of the communication below:
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > . . . I would like to bring to your attention something 
> > intriguing . . . which I am sure you are aware of.
> > 
> > The original ES Rule no. 18 declares:
> > 
> > "No member of this Section shall belong to any other body, 
> > association, or organization for the purpose of mystic study or 
> > occult training, except Masonry and the Odd Fellows, if they so 
> > desire. But they must be as careful to guard the secrecy of this 
> > Section from Masons as they are to preserve the secrets of Masonry 
> > from Theosophists. The reason for this rule is so self-evident as 
> to 
> > need no explanation."
> > 
> > One wonders why HPB would have instituted such a Rule? . . . . 
> > ---------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
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