Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00224)

Daniel,

Thanks. 

It does not seem too modest of you to make statements about what "everyone cares" or "everyone does not care"  in Theos-talk. Speak for yourself,please.    For some here, going beyond the dead letter may be important.   I invite you to avoid unnecessary generalizations about what people believe or think. 

You write: 

"BTW, do you approve of Boris de Zirkoff reprinting the ES  Instructions in Volume 12 of THE COLLECTED WRITINGS."

I see no need to approve or disapprove of it.  And I was talking especially about the Internet. 

Yet I don't consider it a big deal having the Esoteric Papers published at the word-level, even in the Internet.  It is not the secrecy of  the words that turns something esoteric -- it is the lvel of conscious at which it is considered. Please calmly think about this previous sentence.  

My main point is -- that having the outer wording is not having the right viewpoints and keys to understand the content of the writings -- a content which has several levels and layers of meaning. 

I will give you an example. 

You have Plato's Dialogues published today.   Yet if you do not have a cultural/philosophical horizon broad enough to really look at them; if you do not have the right background in esoteric philosophy, etc., you will probably not understand much of their content. The same with HPB. 

Is the example clear? You have HPB published, including her "Esoteric Papers" (now rather "Exoteric").

But who has the deep view, the clear method, the inner sight, the "insight" to understand and to live those teachings?  With what seriously committed friends of truth will you endeavour to understand her texts, "esoteric" or otherwise?  


For instance, Daniel --  do you try to live by those teachings? And by HPB's Esoteric Philosophy? Please, understand me, no need to answer here -- this question is suggested for a dialogue in your own conscience.  This comes to my mind as this is a question I regularly pose to myself ( we can always improve things).  

Perhaps in future you will open more room in your sites -- not for dissent and 'conflicting personal views' but for stimulating people to live Theosophy instead. 

That is my main point, and I guess it can now be understood.

There is a transmission  independent from Scriptures.  Words are but words -- useful instruments they are. 


Best  regards,    Carlos. 




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Data:Fri, 03 Nov 2006 17:46:34 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World "Can you go beyond the dead letter?"

> Carlos,
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> You write to me:
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> Words cannot convey a meaning to one who is not prepared for them, or 
> to one who does not want to understand the meaning.
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> Putting things before people when they are not prepared to understand 
> them, and not even committed to seriously try to understand them, is 
> not necessarily stimulating an expansion of consciousness.
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> Superficial curiosity will not do.
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> What the esoteric tradition aims at -- and it has done so for many 
> thousands of years -- is to keep things to people who can understand 
> them, who will try hard to understand and to live them, and this, 
> together with a method for understanding these things in their hearts.
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> In what sense you have ever read HPB, or her "Esoteric Papers" -- if 
> you did not understand even this most basic of principles for the 
> Esoteric Philosophy?
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> Can you go beyond the dead letter?
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> Whether I can go beyond the dead letter or not is not really the 
> issue here. First of all, I doubt that anyone on Theos-Talk (other 
> than you?) really cares! :)
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> If you can go or think you can go beyond the dead letter, that is 
> fine and you are to be congratulated for so doing....
> 
> OBTW, do you approve of Boris de Zirkoff reprinting the ES 
> Instructions in Volume 12 of THE COLLECTED WRITINGS.
> 
> Or was he ALSO guilty of:
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> "Putting things before people when they are not prepared to 
> understand them, and not even committed to seriously try to 
> understand them, is not necessarily stimulating an expansion of 
> consciousness." ?????
> 
> Remember ANYONE can buy Volume 12 of the CW on the world wide web 
> like at Amazon.com. That is, anyone who has the money to buy the 
> volume....
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> I published THE ESOTERIC PAPERS OF MADAME BLAVATSKY because I was 
> fortunate enough to have access to (1) MORE COMPLETE editions of some 
> of HPB's ES Instructions than BdZ apparently had; (2) I also had a 
> complete transcription of HPB's INNER GROUP TEACHINGS which 
> apparently BdZ did not have; (3) I had access to miscellaneous 
> esoteric documents which BdZ didn't include; and (4) I included 
> relevant excerpts from various letters of Blavatsky in which she 
> mentions her work in the Esoteric Section. These letters were 
> scattered all over the place.
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> See table of contents of the book at:
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> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/esopapcontents.pdf
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> Since I had already compiled all of this material and even sent 
> copies to John Cooper, Dallas TenBroeck and several other 
> Theosophical workers, I finally thought other students around the 
> world would find this material also helpful.
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> I even had Jerome Wheeler write me once saying he looked at/used some 
> of the material in my compilation.
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> So I had the volume published by Kessinger. 
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> See: http://esotericpapers.net
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> As to the online versions of SOME of HPB's papers on my website
> , you may object to this version but 
> would you object to an online version of Volume 12 like the one that 
> Ton put up on the web just a week or two ago?
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> Webpages are just a different "medium" than the printed page (books) 
> and fortunately there is not alot of cost involved in maintaining 
> webpages as in publishing and maintaining a stock of unsold books.
> And students in many countries of the world who don't have alot of 
> money can read and study the material for free...on the web.....
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> If you or any other reader wants to know more about why I published 
> this material either in the above book or on the web, please read 
> what I wrote some time ago at:
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> The Publication of HPB's Esoteric Papers
> http://blavatskyarchives.com/moreonhpbesotericpapers.htm
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> Daniel
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