Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00211)

Carlos -

I quite agree in general. However, there are 'minor blockages' that 
I would hope the various Blavatsky linked groups should feel brave 
enough to face and comfortable to communicate with each other. In 
this area, while Daniel's 'presecuting attorney' style does not suit 
all, I am glad that he places on public view alot that has been 
swept under the carpet for so long. In this area the Tingley-Judge-
Crosbie history has been covered MUCH too long and occasionally 
produces negative results of uncooperative attitude betweenULT-Point 
Loma or Pasadena today which I could describe: e.g. I have 
discovered recently that  ULT associates apparently will not read 
Barborka's 'Divine Plan' which is pure HPB... this I still cannot 
figure out....and part of this is a general avoidance of 
the 'Mahatma Letters' and hence some serious 'lacunae' in 
Theosophical philosophy like, as far as I know and anyone please 
correct me if I am mis-informed, NOTHING written or discussed in ULT 
regarding the teachings on the Outer Rounds ! see 'Divine Plan' 
chapter on 'Outer Rounds' and also ML. Though admittedly a rather 
esoteric subject it is in the Mahatma Letters  and SD clear enough 
and is truly a consciousness expanding wonderful teaching that 
amplifies the understanding of the 'after death states' and our 
integral unity with the Cosmos. It is ironic that Adyar members 
studying HPB read a book that is passively avoided by ULT ! Anyhone 
who would label 'The Divine Plan' as 'speclative' which I hear is 
how it is dismissed, simply does not know how to think 
Theosophically in my opinion !) Regarding Adyar - the what could be 
called 'core group' of 'exiled' Point Loma individuals e.g. Small, 
Plummer, Harris, deZirkoff, Barborka, Elsie Benjamin, Helen Todd and 
others, felt that initiating another Theosophical Society -- an idea 
they seriously discussed periodically (for example see also 
Endersby's 'International Fraternity of Theosophists' of the late 
60's early 70's)was NOT necessary and working through and with 
existing Theosophical groups, maintaining small study groups, 
combined with publishing unavailable writings of Theosophic value, 
with the primary focus on Adyar was the was to go. Hence, 
deZirkoff's HPB Collected Writings being transferred from 
independent and other publishers to Adyar/Wheaton, Barborka's work 
published at Adyar etc. Gordon Plummers 'Mathematics of the Cosmic 
Mind' and later his 'From Atom to Kosmos' published by TPH Wheaton 
in the early 70's and the Theosophical manual on 'Reincarnation' by 
Leoline Wright (who knew Judge) also published by Wheaton. The small 
book on Judge by DeZirkoff and Sven Eek also at that time was 
distributed by Wheaton. Judge's name as a founder and photo up at 
Wheaton due to this influence. DeZirkoff visited Adyar at John Coats 
invitation and even shared Point Loma 'Esoteric Teachings' at a 
Winter Solstice gathering there hosted by (Bishop!)John Coats, who 
really was a genuine Theosophist with the whole movement in 
mind......etc. etc. Really there has been enormous transformation. 
While it varies in different countries, Blavatsky is very much more 
in the focus of Adyar now...! All this prior effort has continued 
with books by Mills, Gomes, Caldwell, Farthing, Warcup, Hoskins, 
Lancri, Humphreys,, Sri Krishna Prem etc. etc.......

Ken (Point Loma Publications www.wisdomtraditions.com)

PS - we were able to acquire a number of copies a few years ago of 
Gregory Tillett's bio of CW Leadbeater ' Elder Brother '.  From now 
to the end of the year these will be on sale for 10 copies at $10 
each or $15 for an individual hard cover copy plus postage.


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
<carlosaveline@...> wrote:
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> Daniel,
> 
> This (see below) was thought to be important to be said in 1923. 
It was  during the Adyar Festival of Initiations. 
> 
> Everyone was talking to Christ and to the Maha-Chohan in Adyar. 
Dozens of "high initiates", and some of them with sex scandals, 
too.  
> 
> It was important, then, to show the difference between the part od 
the movement which kept sober and parts of the movement.   
> 
> Nowadays, the historical context is different. 
> 
> There is no reason now, as I see it, to keep feeding old rivalries 
between, for instance, Pasadena TS, Point Loma Groups and the ULT 
people.
> 
> They have much more in common than otherwise. We are all brothers, 
and none of us is perfect.  
> 
> As to the Adyar TS, its members should be fraternally helped, as 
much as possible,  to go beyond the Leadbeaterian Illusions.  
> 
> In the long run, the Adyar TS is a friend to be helped and which 
will help us ("us" being Pasadena TS, ULT, Point Loma groups, etc.)  
> 
> I am sure you are not living in 1923, but open to the immense 
positive possibilities that the 21st century opens to all  sincere 
theosophists. 
> 
> Regards,  Carlos. 
> 
> 
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> Cópia:
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> Data:Thu, 02 Nov 2006 19:14:58 -0000
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> Assunto:Theos-World Theosophy Company on Crosbie & Tingley
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> > In the 1923 edition of "The United Lodge of Theosophists: Its 
Mission 
> > and its Future" (published by the Theosophy Company, Los 
Angeles, 
> > California), the reader will find on page 7 the following 
> > statements:
> > 
> > "On the death of Mr. Judge in 1896, Mr. Crosbie did what was 
possible 
> > to induce those most prominent in the T.S.A. to heed the dying 
words 
> > of Judge - 'There should be calmness. Hold fast; go slow.' But 
the 
> > same influences held sway as had produced all former wrong 
courses. 
> > Ambition and the desire to lead on the part of the few caused 
Mrs. 
> > Katherine Tingley to be heralded to the membership as 
the 'successor' 
> > of Mr. Judge, as Mrs. Besant had claimed to be the 'successor' 
of 
> > H.P.B. As ninety-eight per cent of the members accepted the 
> > representations made, Mr. Crosbie could only go with the 
majority if 
> > he would not desert the work built up by the sacrifices of 
H.P.B. and 
> > Mr. Judge before him.
> > 
> > "Then ensued two painful years of rivalry - first between the 
T.S.A., 
> > under the leadership of Mrs. Tingley, and the Olcott-Besant 
society; 
> > then of violent dissentions between Mrs. Tingley and those who 
had 
> > been responsible for foisting her upon the confidence of the 
members 
> > of the T.S.A. This latter war of clashing ambitions and 
pretensions 
> > to apostolic authority, culminated in the Chicago convention in 
> > February, 1898, where by the vote of more than ninety per cent 
of the 
> > delegates, the name of T.S.A. was changed to that of 'The 
Universal 
> > Brotherhood and Theosophical Society' and a new constitution 
adopted 
> > giving to Madame Tingley absolute autocratic control over all 
the 
> > activities of the society. A handful of the delegates - those 
who 
> > had originally vouched for Madame Tingley - 'bolted' the 
> > Convention, and thereafter called themselves the T.S.A.
> > 
> > "Of all these events Mr. Crosbie was a witness and, as before, 
found 
> > no way open but to abide by the decision of the majority. For 
the 
> > ensuing six years he worked to the fullest extent possible to 
keep 
> > alive the spirit of fraternity and theosophical propagandum. By 
1904 
> > the once strong membership had dwindled away under the lurid 
> > management of Mrs. Tingley until there remained but a few 
hundred out 
> > of thousands Further efforts being useless, Mr. Crosbie left the 
> > Tingley society and removed to Los Angeles, California."
> > 
> > In my next posting I will give Dr. H.N. Stokes' comments on the 
above 
> > statements. 
> > 
> > Daniel
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