Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00175)

Daniel, 

I have to confess I suspect some of your  "unamed sources" below are as imaginary as your "friends"  David Green, Terry Brown and so on. 

As to the existence of 'inner circles', I have written in other messages. They have existed for long eras, and they have been defended in the New Testament, in the Confucian Analects, and so forth.  

Regards,   Carlos. 


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Data:Thu, 02 Nov 2006 16:51:36 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Question (3) from Tillett's List on ULT/DES

> Gregory Tillett writes:
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> "(3) does a DES, associated with the ULT or some or any of its 
> members, exist? Does it claim to be a successor of or to possess any 
> continuity with or authority from HPB's ES? If so, on the basis of 
> what authority does it make this claim?"
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> Does a Dzyan Esoteric School exist?
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> Years ago when first doing inquiries about this, many ULT associates 
> I asked said: "NO." 
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> Not all; a few actually admitted that there was such an organization.
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> One well-known, high profile ULT Theosophist swears to this day on 
> the Bhagavad-Gita that there is no such organization!
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> But when several demanded proof of my assertion that there actually 
> was such an organization and I showed them some of the DES documents, 
> well, they were for the most part strangely silent. 
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> One turned almost red and said "but I have been an associate for many 
> years and no one ever told me."
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> One Judge student who had been a ULT associate said he was given 
> hints about such a school by an ULT official but never told flatout 
> that there is such a school.
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> This raises the question as to why HPB published in LUCIFER that 
> there was such a Esoteric Section and even writes about it in THE KEY 
> TO THEOSOPHY but for some reason(s) ULT/DES "officials" feel the need 
> to, in effect, HIDE the school and make it a SECRET.
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> I'm wondering if maybe some of the remarks in the KH 1900 letter are 
> relevant to the Dzyan Esoteric School. 
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> For example:
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> The best corrective of error is an honest and open-minded examination 
> of all facts subjective and objective. 
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> MISLEADING SECRECY HAS GIVEN THE DEATH BLOW TO NUMEROUS
> ORGANIZATIONS. 
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> Quoted from:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36138
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> But it is interesting that on Theos-Talk Carlos although he doesn't 
> write about the DES, he does NOT deny the existence of the DES.
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> And Carl (not to be confused with Carlos!) has confirmed the 
> existence of the DES and says that he knows some of the participants, 
> etc.
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> I know of several caches of Crosbie papers and letters. Even ------ -
> ------ [a fairly well known ULT Theosophist] has told me of primary 
> source letters that would throw a light on why Crosbie left Pt. Loma.
> I'm sure in future years some of this material will be published and 
> therefore available in the public domain and probably on the Internet.
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> Daniel
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