Theos-Talk Archives (November 2006 Message tt00120)

Carl,

Thanks. Not at all.  

It sounds OK.  I don't see that the ULT being a 'lodge federation',  or a 'federation of free groups' is the opposite from being a 'federation of free-thinkers'.

You see, words are instruments, not "huacas" (the Andes term for 'sacred physical objects').

Words are fingers pointing at things, not the things themselves.

We broadly agree. 


Regards,  Carlos. 




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Data:Thu, 02 Nov 2006 14:15:01 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: A WORLD MAP

> About the ULT and members vs. associates. On can be a member of a 
> local U.L.T.-lodge, but every lodge-member is associated in the 
> Parent Lodge in Los Angeles (which a person could be without being a 
> member in a particular lodge). You are associated with the Parent 
> Lodge in Los Angeles, but you are not associated with your local 
> lodge, there you are a member. The idea, with to have associates, is 
> that there must be something that is holding the people together. 
> This is the second thing, the first and most important for the ULT 
> is the Declaration. But I know that there is another culture within 
> the ULT in Europe, then what there is in the US when it comes to the 
> use of certain words (and in several other way to). And every ULT-
> lodge is a United Lodge of Theosophists, and not a local branch. I 
> think, that, you Carlos, not will like this, but the ULT could more 
> or less be called a lodge federation. 
> 
> Carl
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Carl,
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks for the contribution. 
> > 
> > Also, the ULT has no members -- it has Associates. It is no 
> corporation. It has no party line. It is an international study-
> group. Rather a federation of free-thinkers who have HPB's and 
> Judge's philosophy in common. 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Thu, 02 Nov 2006 05:00:36 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: TOWARDS AN UPDATED WORLD MAP
> > 
> > > Comments;
> > > Pasadena TS has nine sections today; seven of those are active 
> in 
> > > eight countries. 
> > > 
> > > The ULT has 25 lodges (plus some official Study Groups manly in 
> the 
> > > US, and so called Theosophy Groups, the last ones are not 
> officially 
> > > parts of the ULT, and are often new started and connected with 
> the 
> > > ULT) present in twelve countries. 
> > > 
> > > The numbers of members are not official, nether in Pasadena TS 
> or 
> > > ULT. One can guess, and get it more or less right, put I don't 
> think 
> > > that is the right thing to do.
> > > 
> > > Carl
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Friends,
> > > > 
> > > > In the last couple of days, new information came to my mind as 
> > > to "the map of the theosophical movement, worldwide". 
> Especiellly on 
> > > Pasadena TS and Point Loma groups. 
> > > > 
> > > > I will try to sum it up, broadly speaking. Corrections, 
> > > additions and commentaries will be welcome. 
> > > > 
> > > > 1) Adyar TS -- some 30,000 members worldwide in some 50/60 
> > > countries, including some 5,000 people in the USA and some 
> 11,000 
> > > people in India; that will make some 90 or 95 of the so-
> > > called 'Theosophists' worldwide ( Arcane School, Anthroposophic 
> > > Society and Sudda Dharma not included in this figure, 
> therefore ). 
> > > The Adyar TS still has probably a few hundreds of active HPB 
> > > students, who keep a distance from CWL/Besant books. These HPB 
> > > students are in the UK, Mexico, Argentina and other places. 
> > > > 
> > > > 2) Pasadena TS -- an unknown number of people, with rather 
> small 
> > > groups. Some four of them are in the USA, and there are more 
> groups 
> > > present in some seven other countries (which makes eight 
> countries 
> > > with the USA). The Pasadena TS has the important Theosophical 
> > > University Press, T.U.P., and several magazines (the best known 
> > > being "Sunrise"). I guess the Pasadena TS is very healthy in 
> > > spiritual terms, though smaller trhan I would like them to be. 
> > > > 
> > > > 3) United Lodge of Theosophists, ULT -- present with organized 
> > > groups in some 15 countries (Brazil and Portugal, with but a few 
> > > associates, not included). Several groups in the USA. Various 
> > > magazines, including "Theosophy" and "The Theosophical Movement" 
> > > (monthly, edited in India). Innerly healthy. As the Pasadena TS, 
> it 
> > > does not care for making too much propaganda and does not gets 
> > > involved in conflicts. 
> > > > 4) Point Loma groups -- several small groups in Germany, a few 
> > > others in Europe. They are inspired by "Point Loma Publications" 
> and 
> > > are influenced by G. de Purucker. Also somehow present in the 
> USA. 
> > > My contacts with them give me a very positive view of their 
> work. 
> > > > 5) The Edmonton Theosophical Society -- apparently rather 
> local in 
> > > Edmonton city, Canada, but publishing the influential 
> international 
> > > magazine FOHAT in English language. Sincere theosophists. Deep 
> > > students. 
> > > > 6) A number of independent efforts here and there, as the 
> > > influential "Biosofia" magazine in Lisbon, Portugal (led by Mr. 
> José 
> > > Manuel Anacleto); Mr. José Ramón Sordo's "Fundación Blavatsky", 
> in 
> > > Mexico, or Richard Robb's "Wizards Bookshelf" in the USA ( 
> besides 
> > > various others) . These three are examples of important efforts. 
> > > Mr. Sordo leads various theosophical groups in Mexico. Ricard 
> Robb's 
> > > work is editorial, well-known worldwide, and it is now related 
> to 
> > > the Pasadena TS. "Biosofia" magazine is related to an important 
> > > cultural institute in Portugal. 
> > > > 7) The Arcane School, World Goodwill and related 
> groups/efforts 
> > > who promote planetary citizenship and support to the United 
> Nations 
> > > work. they azre inspired by Alice Bailey's books. Their membes 
> do 
> > > not call themselves "theosophists", but have interesting views 
> > > about universal brotherhood and other universalist concepts. 
> They 
> > > recognize HPB as one of their inspiring sources. Present in 
> several 
> > > countries, including Brazil. It has some influence over members 
> of 
> > > the Adyar TS. 
> > > > 8) Anthroposophic Society and its related Waldorf Schools. 
> This 
> > > is a German originated split from the Theosophical Society. 
> > > Present in various countries besides Germany -- including 
> Brazil, 
> > > where they have several books edited in Portuguese language. 
> > > Interesting work to know. 
> > > > 9) Suddha Dharma Mandalam -- a Theosophical split in India, 
> > > originated by 1917 from Adyar. It is an esoteric school in more 
> > > than one way, created around the expectation of a "Kalki Avatar" 
> who 
> > > could be an Indian counterpart to Westernized and Christianized 
> J. 
> > > Krishnamnurti (an L.C.C. "Christ"). In South America, Sudda 
> Dharma 
> > > Mandalam started in Chile, and later had some force in Brazil, 
> with 
> > > several organized groups here. Now very weak where it is not 
> > > inactive. Latent. Yet its ex-members keep their identity and 
> their 
> > > lives' inspiration. Have their own version of the B. Gita and 
> work 
> > > with their own version of Raja Yoga. Interesting. I have known 
> > > soime serious, well-disciplined members. 
> > > > OOOOOOOOOOOOOO
> > > > The way I sense it, the 'real nucleus" of the theosophical 
> > > movement by now is made of HPB/Masters students in the Pasadena 
> TS, 
> > > ULT, Adyar TS, Edmonton TS, Point Loma Groups and various 
> > > independent groups/initiatives around the world led by HPB 
> students, 
> > > in most cases HPB/Judge students. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yet Arcane shool and similar movements should rather not be 
> > > ignmored in my view.
> > > > 
> > > > Even the Ancient and Mystic Rosicrucian Order (AMORC) should 
> > > probably be mentioned, as it has a relation (in its origin and 
> > > views), with the theosophical movement. I am certainly leaving 
> > > other groups aside out of lack of information or remembrance. 
> > > > 
> > > > This is an unrevised spontaneous report. It was not prepared 
> in 
> > > my library, where all documents are. It is but part of the map 
> of 
> > > the movement as it stands in my mind's eye this afternoon ( 6: 
> 30 
> > > p. m., Brazilian time now). 
> > > > 
> > > > As I said earlier, commentaries and corrections are most 
> welcome. 
> > > > 
> > > > You can see that the movement, broadly speaking, is not too 
> > > small. 
> > > > 
> > > > Yet we should improve it as much as we can in our present 
> > > lifetimes. 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > > 
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