Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00449)

Adelasie,

We are friendly and peacefully exchanging  views from the start. I 
thank you for that.  

Both you and I are experiencd enough to have the ability to leave 
personalities apart, as we exchange views, and we do not need to 
play tricks on each other, to try to keep things at the lower 
quaternary level, from which narrow walls, by the way, we are free 
as we talk about universal truth.    

So, from my calm and impersonal viewpoint, the real issue still is 
(and I rely on the fact that you will go from mere words to the real 
meaning of things):  

It would be wrong to ignore the example given by HPB of using both 
brain hemispheres and combining 'viveka', discernment, with devotion 
and higher intuition. 
 
Her pedagogy is not limited to "high initiates".  It is public. It is
for the public. It is available to each and all of us. 
 
The Catholic priests (Liberal or otherwise) also say that the 
universal brotherhood and other teachings are "impossible to live" --
 hence they use rituals and other top-down structures to control the 
masses.

Take care and make sure you do not say that "living Theosophy" 
or "using both discernment and intuitiion" is but for high 
initiates --  for thus starts hypocrisy which leads to priesthood.  
 
There is a false humbleness in saying --  "we are not high 
initiates, we cannot compare ourselves with HPB;  therefore we do 
not need to live Theosophy". 
 
If one can't live Theosophy and can't combine diversity and unity,
what's the use of Theosophy?  It is a facade for something 
else? Is it a facade for some rite or  ritual in a " stone Temple"? 
 
HPB wrote the only real temple is within one's heart and mind, and 
outer  temples are but a lack of respect for the SACRED.  As she 
wrote that, she was quoting the New Testament, I Corinthians. (See 
Collected Writings, XI, pp.80-81.)
 

I  hope you have something to say abut the above ideas. 

As a Theosophist, I am sure you can understand the need for an 
active left brain-hemisphere, capable of logic and of telling truth 
from illusion and lies, side by side with the right side of the 
brain.  And I hope you can see also the negative results of blind-
belief religions and their outer "temples" and dogmas. 

H.S. Olcott rightfully wrote that ritualisms are used 
to "externalize" the teachings about the Sacred, so that one "does 
not need to live them", but see them as something located outside. 

I wonder why Olcott, as a thinker,  has been denied by the Adyar TS!

By now he is but a portrait -- as HPB is, too. 

Best regards,   Carlos. 



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--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "adelasie" <adelasie@...> wrote:
>
> Carlos,
> 
> It appears I may have offended you by using the word "arrogant" in 
my 
> 
> last post. Let me hasten to assure you that my comments are not 
meant 
> 
> to apply to you or anyone else personally. We are all students 
> together, and it is always useful to remember that we do not see 
> faults in others unless we have them in ourselves. We could also 
> remember that the honorable and admirable qualities we see in 
others 
> also reside within us. We can only perceive that which is part of 
us.
> 
> We are all travelling the path to enlightenment, evolving embodied 
> consciousnesses, if you will, attempting to embrace and become 
that 
> which we admire and emulate. Perhaps you and I do not have the 
same 
> view at any moment from our respective paths, but that is to be 
> expected. My comments are an attempt to share my view, not as the 
> only view possible, but as one of the infinite possibilites. 
> 
> It seems to me that the enhanced communication supplied by a list 
> such as this one can be a tremendous asset to the student of 
> occultism. We have access to a vastly increased number of other 
> students, with whom we can share points of view, learning so much 
> about our human experience in general and our particular role 
> therein. 
> 
> It is interesting to delve a bit into the use of the sacred 
creative 
> fire in the form of electricity that enables us to have a window 
on 
> the whole world in a way that is unique in history, as far as we 
> know. It  suggests a level of responsibility, not only for 
ourselves 
> (a central facet of theosophical philosophy) but also for others, 
> that we use this sacred fire to represent who we are and what we 
know 
> 
> to countless unknown watchers. It behooves us to remember that 
there 
> are no little things, that everything matters, every thought, word 
> and deed. We never know when the last straw is added to the pile 
that 
> 
> overbalances it and changes everything. 
> 
> We know that humanity is at a cross roads in our evolution. We can 
> make great advances in this cycle, or we can sink back into more 
eons 
> 
> of ignorance and selfishness. We have a great opportunity to make 
a 
> difference. As a teacher of mine often says, "Constant change is 
here 
> 
> to stay."
> 
> Adelasie
> 
> 
> 
> On 29 Oct 2006 at 8:58, carlosaveline wrote:
> 
> > Adelasie,
> > 
> > 
> > It would be arrogant, or simply unintelligent,  to ignore the 
example
> given by HPB of using both brain hemispheres and 
combining 'viveka',
> discernment, with devotion and higher intuition. 
> > 
> > Her pedagogy is not limited to "high initiates".  It is public. 
It is
> for the public. It is available to each and all of us. 
> > 
> > The Catholic priests (Liberal or otherwise) also say that the 
universal
> brotherhood and other teachings are "impossible to live" -- hence 
> they use
> rituals and other top-down structures to control the masses.
> > 
> > Take care and make sure you do not say that "living Theosophy" 
or "using
> both discernment and intuitiion" is but for high initiates --  for 
> thus
> starts hypocrisy which leads to priesthood.  
> > 
> > There is a false humbleness in saying --  "we are not high 
initiates, we
> cannot compare ourselves with HPB;  therefore we do not need to 
live
> Theosophy". 
> > 
> > 
> > If you can't live Theosophy and can't combine diversity and 
unity,
> what's the use of Theosophy for you?  It is a facade for something 
> else?
> Is it a facade for some rite or  ritual in a " stone Temple"? 
> > 
> > HPB wrote the only real temple is within one's heart and mind, 
and outer
> temples are but a lack of respect for the SACRED.  As she wrote 
that, 
> she
> was quoting the New Testament. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,  Carlos.
>