Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00307)

Although I may or may not disagree with the statement in the subject line -- 
which has little relationship with this dialogue... In order not to lose the 
continuity of this thread, I refrain to change it to a more appropriate title 
-- such as "Arguments for and against 'intelligent design' as a non 
supernatural or non 'creationist' basis of Cosmogenesis".   So, see my comment below...

In a message dated 10/22/06 11:29:22 PM, stonjek@ozemail.com.au writes:


> In a message dated 10/20/06 8:36:02 PM, leonmaurer@aol.com writes:
> 
> >stonjek@ozemail.com.au writes:
> 
> RKS:
> For ID to take over it must forward a scientifically framed alternative 
> theory that passes the standard scientific tests BEFORE it can show that its 
> theory explains the known facts and observations better than the current theory.  
> If 'Darwinism' failed comprehensively today then science would be looking 
> around for another scientific theory to replace it.  ID would not be considered 
> unless there was some scientific component to it.  There isn't.
> 
> LM:
> But, if the source of near infinite zero-point energy in the Planck vacuum, 
> that continuously feeds the fundamental particles, must come from "somewhere" 
> (e.g., absolute, proto-, or primal space) and "something" (its inherent 
> compacted ąG-force) that must precede and exist, forever undiminished in its 
> "singularity" beyond (although, everywhere in, but not of) configuration 
> space...  Would not that "something" have to be in the form of an infinite abstract 
> angular momentum -- that can be reduced to fundamental spin of the 
> dimensionless zero point of that primal space? 
> 
> And, if that "spinergy" is the source of subsequent phenomenal substance, as 
> it steps down in density from near infinite mass/energy (concentrated around 
> the "singularity") to near zero mass/energy (spread throughout all of metric 
> space) -- couldn't nonlocal consciousness be considered as the functional 
> aspect of the zero-point space itself that is reflected in the center of origin 
> of every fractally involved finite field radiated initially from that 
> zero-point's infinite spinergy?
>   
>  RKS:
> You would have to show that consciousness exists outside of the human 
> brain.  To my knowledge there is no such evidence.  Consciousness is a state of the 
> brain, not a state of matter.
>   
>  Kind Regards
> Robert Karl Stonjek
> 
LM:
It was never stated or implied by me that consciousness is a "state of 
matter."   

I did state, however, that matter (objective substance at all levels of 
energy and density) resolves solely from the surrounding infinite spinergy or 
infinite angular momentum of the absolute zero-point of primal space prior to the 
big bang.   

Consciousness, on the other hand, is the a-priori attribute of that 
zero-point alone -- which, upon the beginning of cosmogenesis, along with its finite 
surrounding spinergy, becomes spread out everywhere in (but not a part of) both 
the intermediate fractally involved coenergetic hyperspace fields (the source 
of mind and carrier of memory and thought forms) and all the separate fields 
and forms of our metric (material) space-time continuum (the fourth fractal 
iteration of primal substance that first appears at the big bang prior to 
inflation and breaking of symmetry).    

To refute this theory of consciousness, mind and matter as a fundamental 
triune unity inherent in primal space -- that only when phenomenally expressed by 
any sentient being appear to become separate functional aspects of our metric 
space-time continuum -- you would have to show evidence that consciousness per 
se IS a "state of the brain"... And NOT a state of the static zero-point of 
primal space itself, that is actually everywhere...   Thus, accounting for the 
non locality of consciousness, such as feeling the pain of a needle puncture 
at the tip of a finger.   Apparently, it's only a speculation that such feeling 
might be a "state of the brain."   As it appears, however, it could just as 
well be a state of the punctured cells themselves.   Since, what all cells in 
any individual being have in common are the zero-point centers of their EM 
fields -- which being one inseparable thing (primal space itself) are the basis of 
what physicists see as "quantum entanglement."   Thus the remote quale of 
pain experienced in a fingertip is linked with the primary center of individual 
self consciousness located at the naval chakra center. (That's why I know it's 
MY fingertip I feel the pain in...:-)   See symbolic cross section field 
diagrams at:
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/TaiChiFldDiag-figure-2.gif
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg

Therefore, to my knowledge, there is no evidence that consciousness is a 
function or a "state of the brain," or of any other material form.   In addition, 
aside from the neural correlates of consciousness, there is no evidence that 
both awareness (qualia, discrimination, judgment, discernment, etc.) and will 
(intent, impulse, etc.) are functions of or controlled by the brain's neural 
complexity, neurochemistry or physical properties.   

As I see it the brain's only functions are as a transponder, switcher and 
controller between consciousness (awareness, will), mind, memory and the body's 
cells and organs.   It's the electromagnetic field of the brain that, after 
neural processing and assemblage, carries the reconstructed sensory images as 
holographic interference patterns -- which are transferred through the chain of 
consciousness fields by coenergetic (electrodynamic) inductive-resonance 
processes and detected and experienced by each zero-point center of sensory focus by 
projection and reflection of a coherent ray of inquiry that reconstructs the 
holographic image in the higher order fields of the mind, memory, etc., whose 
frequency spectrum order is closest to the spinergy of the body's zero-points 
of sensory focus... e.g., for vision, hearing, etc. -- it's at the zero-point 
of view of the internal mental image focused in the center of the head between 
the eyes and the ears... And, for the other senses, it's at the zero-point of 
detection of the external stimuli.   Thus, we experience smell in the nose, 
touch on the skin, and taste on the tongue.   Consciousness, then, can only be 
the function of the state of primal space at the zero-point of sensation that 
is entangled with the zero-point center of individual self or "I" 
awareness/will. 

According to this model, while intimately linked together by electrodynamic 
coenergetic processes, both subjectivity (consciousness) and objectivity 
(matter) must be the a-priori aspects of the primal space that births, supports, 
empowers, and lawfully guides the cyclic manifestation, involution, and evolution 
of the Cosmos and everything in it -- from the smallest fundamental particle 
field to the largest galactic field.   There is sufficient scientific evidence 
of this function of the infinite energy of the "vacuum foam" in the Planck 
space between the zero-point and the quantum particles -- as demonstrated by the 
Casimir effect, and implied by the mathematics of QFT and string theories, 
etc., etc.   In addition this model effectively closes the circle of separation 
between all substantial and insubsantial fields and forms of primal matter 
along with their linkages with consciousness and mind -- which, as an initial 
triune unity, are fundamental aspects of all reality -- both manifest and 
conditioned and unmanifest and unconditioned.

In this light, the degree of *expression* of phenomenal (experiential) 
consciousness (which is latent in all material forms) is directly related to the 
electrochemical complexity of the living organic forms of the gross matter in our 
phenomenally experienced space-time continuum.   It follows that these 
relationships between consciousness at the zero-point of primal space and matter (on 
all its ED levels) hold, analogously and consistently, throughout all levels 
of coenergetic fractal field involvement.   Thus, explaining altered states of 
consciousness, transcendental experiences and other physically unexplainable 
psychic phenomena and experiences -- without necessity of physical causation, 
epiphenomenal assumptions, or evidential proof in accord with the rules of 
scientific method ... Since, it's obvious that material science can never explain 
the origin, cause or properties of subjectivity by objective observation or 
experimentation.

Thus, it is my opinion, from the point of view of psychology, biology, 
chemistry and physiology, that the scientific method should be modified and its 
religious bias toward assuming matter as being the only reality abandoned, along 
with the acceptance of repeatable subjective evidence on a par with objective 
evidence -- before science can find the answer to the hard problems of 
explaining consciousness, mind and brain and their relationship to the control of the 
body in all aspects of its animate existence and all states of its waking and 
sleeping experiences.

Best wishes,

Leon Maurer
http://www.tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics/





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