Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00168)

In a message dated 10/8/06 11:26:12 PM, yanniru@netscape.net writes:



> Leon,
> 
> I disagree with your following statement;
> "But there is no explanation of the origin of the field or its
> causative connection with the origin of the mental, astral and
> physical fields that interact with it, or explaining their linkage
> to the non local aspects of consciousness.  Let alone explaining the
> principles of entanglement that underlie the interconnection of
> those ubiquitous points of awareness to justify his claims of psi
> phenomena."
> 
> The explanation of non-local effects or entanglement is merely that
> each micro-lepton has such a vast wave function in physical size,
> that it overlaps with all other wave functions of such particles
> from macro to global scales- the scale depending on the mass of the
> micro-lepton. There are several levels or ranges of mass of these
> micro-leptons. Some have wave function size on the order of a human
> being, and the upper limit of size has not been determine. But it is
> possible to calculate how small a particle's mass has to be for
> example for its wave function to be galactic in size.
> 
> 
[LM] That still begs the question of how microlepton theory answers the first 
part of my statement. 

What's the difference between talking about the size or mass of the 
microlepton in conjunction with its "wave function" -- or saying that there are 
different orders of fractally involved coenergetic mass-energy fields whose wave 
lengths are at analogous yet different orders of frequency-energy spectrums? 
Wouldn't each such field have its own size micro lepton or lepton in accord with QM 
and/or QFT?  Apparently, all Iskakov's microlepton theory can do is describe 
the conditions of matter within those coenergetic fields, but has no 
explanatory values that answers the hard problems of consciousness and its mind-brain 
interconnections, along with their mechanisms, processes or dynamics.  All that 
is easily explained in the framework of the ABC model.  In fact, scientific 
proof of the existence of the microleptons will also prove the ABC unified 
field theory that underlies them along with all other fundamental particles that 
compose every objective form of matter in our metric space time continuum.

BTW, what justification is there to consider a particular wave function as 
having "size" -- unless you equate that with the wave length of an 
electrodynamic field of one particular mass-energy phase or another? 


> I should mention, in case you do not realize, that if the wave
> functions of a set of particles overlap sufficiently, they are
> instantly aware of each other-they are entangled.
> 
> 
[LM] And, I would like to point out that such overlap is simply a speculative 
description and not any explanation of entanglement (since it also begs the 
question of explaining awareness)...

But, as I see it, It's much more logical and parsimonious to assume that the 
zero-point centers of each field order, being in the same fundamental space 
that is at the zero-point origin of all coenergetic fields -- since I see it as 
a given that such absolute space or pure "spirit" and consciousness are 
synonymous.  And, therefore, can actually explain the apparent awareness of each 
other between split microleptons or the leptons that standard QM interprets as 
"entanglement."  

I think Einstein was cognizant of this when he was attempting to find a 
mathematical connection between what he saw as interconnected or unified fields and 
the zero point "spinergy" at his "singularity," but was stymied by his 
negative attitude toward QM theory and its indeterminacy as well as by the 
Michelson-Morley experiment that seemed to disprove the existence of the intermediate 
aether -- which microlepton theory now seems to contradict.  Too bad Einstein 
didn't dig a little deeper in the SD (where he probably got relativity from, 
and where Iskakov apparently got his underlying theory from) to where it 
explains all this clearly enough in symbolic language for an imaginative scientist to 
easily grasp.  Iskakov's advantage was seeing the connection between the sub 
quantum energy fields and their correspondingly related leptons and using 
modifications of standard QM theory to describe them.

However, since microleptons must be of a different order of frequency-energy 
than the leptons, its their field centers that are entangled (or should I say 
coadunate) -- since, the only place that such awareness you speak of could 
occur is at those coadunate zero-points.  It's those points that are also the 
source of the intent (i.e., the desire behind will) that activates the primal 
force or spinergy of such absolute space which enables such entanglement or 
apparent action at a distance to occur. 

Or, to put it more clearly... It's that primal spinergy force that empowers 
the transfer of information from one frequency phase order to another -- or in 
your terms, from one lepton or microlepton to its split partner -- whose 
zero-point centers remain coadunate no matter how far their spinergy fields 
separate in the spherical field of whatever coenergetic frequency-energy (non 
consubstantial) level they are on in either hyper (microlepton) space or 
configuration (lepton) space. To visualize symbolically how the ABC model proposes these 
fields originate, involve, and interrelate with each other, see:

http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html


> So with these ranges of micro-lepton masses we have a possible
> explanation of all the levels of existence talked of in Theosophy by
> Blavatsky and others. There is no need of your ABC theory to do this.
> 
> 
[LM] The only time there would be no need for the ABC theory to explain not 
only all levels of existence but also all levels of consciousness -- is when 
you or any other physicist can prove that the microleptons can explain it all by 
themselves without explaining their connection to absolute zero-point space 
-- that must exist as the abstract support of all substantial space-time, 
starting from the subtlest to the most gross fields of frequency-energy near 
absolute zero, and extending to near infinity (or at least its first Aleph set) -- 
which are all individual fields of nonlocal consciousness experienced (at their 
zero-point centers of origin) by any sentient being whose neural networks and 
their electrochemical sensory mechanisms are sufficiently organized.

In any event, I see that the orders of leptons extending from the shortest of 
their spectral wave length to the longest, are fundamentally equivalent to 
the different levels of vibrational patterns of information carried on the 
fractally involved coenergetic fields -- which is the only way I can imagine to 
describe the nature of our three dimensional universe in all descending orders of 
its phenomenal existence between zero and infinity, as well as linking it all 
with absolute consciousness (i.e., unconditioned awareness, will) that can be 
located everywhere at the zero-point origin of each electrodynamic field and, 
consequently, within every individual sub quantum and quantum particle, or 
anything composed of such particles. 

It's quite obvious to me, that this theory verifies that there are many 
analogous levels of existence -- of which most are invisible except the one that 
our wakeful consciousness is focussed on exclusively and/or our bodies and 
senses are living in and are part of.  In such a case, the microleptons and 
leptons, as well as the forms of phenomenal substance that depend on them, are 
secondary and tertiary aspects of fundamental matter that are riding on the surfaces 
of the initially involved primal coenergetic fields AFTER the breaking of 
their symmetry.  Thus form is dependent on consciousness, but consciousness is 
independent of form. 

Therefore, matter alone cannot be considered as the fundamental cause of 
universal existence.  And, it follows, then, that individual will can be entirely 
free only when one's consciousness is detached from all conditioned forms of 
matter, including the structures and channels of the brain's neurology as well 
as the mental images they facilitate.

This, apparently, is the only way we can explain such psychic pheneomena as 
clairvoyance or remote seeing...  Since they both require analogue imagery of a 
holographic nature -- that can only be a function of the vibrational wave 
interference patterns of analogous electrodynamic fields of consciousness that 
exist at the different coadunate but not consubstantial coenergetic levels of 
metaphysical and physical reality. 

Accordingly, there has to be an analogously corresponding spectrum of 
resonant light energy on each such field level.  And the inner visual awareness of 
the mediums experiencing such psychic phenomena must be the result of their 
conscious (or unconscious) focussing of their zero-point center of visual 
awareness directly toward the highest order of such coenergetic fields on the mental 
plane of the universal field -- while blocking all the sensory images coming up 
from the bottom to the localized personal part of the mental plane. 

Apparently, the actual mechanism of how the medium accomplishes that must 
remain forever unknown to those without such instinctive or learned powers of 
concentration or focus of consciousness.  In my view, the mechanisms are obvious, 
but the processes must be learned either in this or past lives -- which are 
quite possible according to the ABC theory -- since the highest order spiritual 
fields of consciousness and their zero-point spinergy's cannot become 
dormant  so long as the universe (or, in our case perhaps, the Solar System) lasts in 
this cycle of its life existence.

To see if I can make it a bit clearer...  My ABC model of universal or 
cosmogenesis -- while not exclusive of a microlepton and lepton theory to explain 
its overall quantum electrodynamics within each fractally involved coenergetic 
field, -- is based on the following fundamental assumptions:

A. Consciousness (Both awareness and will) is as fundamental an aspect of the 
primal pre cosmic, pre big bang universe as is matter... Since, matter could 
not exist without consciousness, and consciousness could not exist without 
matter... Although, that amorphous matter can exist both noumenally and 
phenomenally in various degrees of density or electrodynamic energy levels or phases -- 
while consciousness is both unchangeable and located everywhere in primal 
space permeating all fields and forms of matter.

B. That the total metric universe is contained on and within a spherically 
expanding field of the subtlest electrodynamic energy which initially manifests 
out of a zero-point "singularity" which is a relatively static, absolute 
(null) zero (Laya) point having no aspects (besides fundamental insubstantiality) 
other than "abstract motion" or infinite spin on infinite axes of rotation, 
thus, infinite angular momentum or potential mass-energy.  This qualifies the 
Buddha's statement that "Nothing can come from nothing" ... And, also closes the 
full cycle of cause and effect from the beginning to he end of this cycle of 
cosmic awakening.

C.  The initial expanding field is composed of interwoven lines of positive 
and negative "G" force and involves fractally in a series of progressively more 
dense energy fields within fields within fields, etc., in continuous descent 
from the highest frequency-energy order (first fractal iteration) to the 
lowest order (fourth fractal iteration) we call the metric physical universe -- 
where energy and mass are equivalent according to the equation E=mc^2

Therefore, before the "beginning" (of this cosmic manifestation) there can 
only be two aspects of total reality, And those are:

1. Pure consciousness (potential awareness and will) inherent in the absolute 
zero-point of primal space, that is the noumenal root of phenomenal 
consciousness within each sentient being -- while remaining latent within every other 
form of matter located in/on any fractally descendent coenergetic field of 
consciousness whose overall circumference is non locatable or nowhere.

2. Pure substance or the noumenal root of phenomenal matter-energy inherent 
in the "Spinergy" or spin-moment (G-force) circling the zero-point of 
consciousness -- that is located everywhere.

Of course, except by inference (if ever microlepton theory can be proved) -- 
none of this ABC theory is directly falsifiable or provable.  However, it 
predicts the microleptons and leptons, themselves -- which is a great point in its 
favor as being the primary paradigm that precedes everything else. For, 
without the primal higher order hyperspace fields to generate (create?) feed and 
support them from the "vacuum foam" on each level where would the leptons or 
microleptons be? :-)

Best Wishes,

Leon

> 
> 
> 
> --- In MindBrain@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@... wrote:
> >
> > Richard,
> >
> > Thank you for again calling my attention to Iskakov's radical new
> > microlepton field theory. I had already carefully examined it since the 
> last
> > time you mentioned it in discussion about my ABC theory.
> >
> > It seems to me that this theory coupled with the findings of Ohatimis,
> > may be a scientifically falsifiable verification of Einstein's initial 
> ideas about
> > the Ether as the medium of sidereal light.   Accordingly, it may 
> eventually
> > become, when coupled with the holographic paradigm of Bohm and Pribram
> > along with string theory as well as my ABC and BB's psychophysics 
> theories,
> > the basis of an entirely "new paradigm of science" that all students of
> > consciousness study have been so eagerly awaiting since Chalmers posed
> > his hard problem and suggested such a need almost 15 years ago.
> >
> > Unfortunately, as yet, while Iskakov's model may "describe consciousness" 
> --
> > there is nothing in his theory that actually *explains*consciousness --
> > which is what my theory/model of Astro Biological Coenergetics (ABC) is 
> all
> > about.   As I said before, Iskakov is only talking about the
> 
> > Astral and mental realms as the medium of the contents or information of
> > consciousness when he talks about microlepton fields and offers a
> > mathematical description that justifiestheir existence.  
> >
> > However, I can't see how that has anything to do with explaining
> > consciousness with respect to its origin and its aspects of awareness,
> > qualia and will, or even offering a description of how such information is
> > transformed, transmitted and perceived on the experiential level.   All 
> his
> > theory does is explain the workings of the "microlepton field" itself and 
> its
> > holographic information carrying ability along with its electrodynamic
> > physical properties... But there is no explanation of the origin of the 
> field or
> > its causative connection with the origin of the mental, astral and 
> physical
> > fields that interact with it, or explaining their linkage to the non local
> > aspects of  consciousness.   Let alone explaining the principles of
> > entanglement that  underlie the interconnection of those ubiquitous points
> > of awareness to justify his claims of psi phenomena.
> >
> > Actually, I think Iskakov has given us a sound scientific bases for
> > verification of the ABC model which predicts such a field and its electro
> > dynamic processes resulting from the involution of the initially radiated
> > spinergy field outof the seed "singularity" of this entire universe prior 
> to
> > the Big Bang. 
> >
> > IOW, his theory seems to verify the concept of the ubiquitous zero-
> > point-instant singularity, as well as the electrodynamic nature of the 
> entire
> > infinite set of ABC field involution's... Including the existence of mind 
> and
> > memory fields that are separate, yet coenergetic entities -- each 
> consisting of
> > a different order of frequency energy than each other, as well as that of 
> the
> > physical and electrical fields of the brain-body -- ascribing such 
> normally
> > invisible microlepton fields as being the body's surrounding auric 
> fields...
> > That, in my view, are related analogously to the fractally involved primal
> > cosmic and human centered ABC fields pictured in my chakrafield diagrams:
> >
> > http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
> > http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/Chakrafielddiag-fig.col.jpg
> >
> > Incidentally, I have been waiting patiently for some Russian scientists to
> > come up with such a scientific description of the ABC fields -- ever since 
> my
> > physicist collaborator, Dr. P.S. Perchion, at a scientific conference in 
> NY back
> > in the early eighties, gave a copy of Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine (with 
> our
> > margin notes) to Zel'dovich and his group of visiting Russian physicists 
> to
> > take back to Russia.   He told me they were much impressed by his 
> scientific
> > correlation's and interpretations of some of the metaphysics describe in 
> the
> > book, and a bit proud of the fact that both Blavatsky and he were Russian 
> born or
> > had close ties with Russia. (Perchion, BTW, was the nephew of G. I. 
> Gurgjieff.)
> >
> > If we carefully read Iskakov's commentaries on his theory, listed under 
> the
> > title "A Synthesis of Science and Religion"-- it's quite obvious that he 
> was
> > referring to the Secret Doctrine (whose subtitle, coincidentally, is "The
> > Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy").   Some of his language 
> seems
> > to be lifted almost verbatim from that book.   It's interesting that he 
> also
> > claimed his theory verified the Eastern philosophical view of karma and
> > reincarnation -- based on the "eternality of the human soul" -- which in 
> the
> > SD and in the ABC model is the higher order triune monadic field of each
> > individual human  woven from a single zero-point ray of the universal
> > consciousness emanated from the primal zero-point origin of the cosmos at 
> the
> > beginning of metric time in this cycle of manifestation.  
> >
> > In a message dated 9/15/06 6:47:38 PM, yanniru@... writes:
> >
> >
> <Snip>
> 

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