Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00123)

Dear Bruce, dear Friends, 


Thank you very much.

The key passage in the text below by the Mexican theosophist 
José Ramón Sordo is this: 

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"As you know, the Manor was the main residence of the infamous
 Leadbeater. His memory roams about the place and is still alive in
 every corner of the house. On almost every wall hangs a portrait of
 him, together with those of his initiated pupils like Annie Besant,
 Jinarajadasa, Arundale, etc. (.....)" 
 
    
"Although the Manor is referred by the members as the "Occult Center
 for the Southern Hemisphere", most of the classes are based on the
 most anthropomorphic conceptions written by Annie Besant and C.W.
 Leadbeater. It is something similar to a brain washing. They try to
 convince you, for instance, that Mahatma Gandhi was evil, and that it is
 good to kill in certain occasions. They talk about occult geopolitics,
 etc."
 
"There is a so called Egyptian Rite invented by C.W. Leadbeater and
 Wedgwood. It is like a masquerade or carnival where people of the E.S.
 will disguise themselves like Egyptians to perform a promiscuous rite,
 that is half Masonic and half Roman Catholic Mass. It is a secret
 organization within the E.S. Originally this rite had two degrees: the
 blue and the red, but now there is only one left. The celebration of
 the E.R. takes place in a large room in the ground floor of the Manor,
 called "The Temple". The ceremony is presided by the head of
 the Manor. The rite is considered by the members to be: "very
 powerful". The climax of the celebration is when the chalice is
 hold by the priestess and the brethren take communion from the chalice
 and the host. After that all brethren present, raise their arms —
 as one can see in the Egyptian vignettes — and "send forces to
 the world". " 


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See the complete text below.


Best regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline. 
 


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Data:Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:06:47 -0000

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Re: BRUCE/FOHAT - EGYPTIAN RITE

> For those interested, the following was printed in the Fall 2005 issue
> of Fohat.
> 
> Islands of Theosophy in a Pseudo-Theosophical World
> 
> In 1999, J. Ramon Sordo sent Richard Robb a letter describing his
> introduction to and experience with theosophy in various parts of the
> world. Questions that arise from this letter are: Does a non-sectarian
> society have any business endorsing or supporting ritual?; What does it
> mean to have an Esoteric Section of the T.S. when there is no link to
> any further esoteric teachings?; What does it mean when a spiritual
> society ignores the teachings of its spiritual founders?; What does it
> mean when a spiritual society is concerned about the epi-phenomena of
> geopolitics? Consider these questions and others as you read the
> following letter.
> 
> Dear Richard,
> 
> I am enclosing for you, the last 3 issues of our magazine, Atma Vidya,
> and Deity Cosmos and Man, by Geoffrey Farthing. I believe you received
> already the first 3 issues. I am a Mexican, and about twenty years ago,
> I met an Australian born Hungarian girl. We soon got married and later
> on, in less than one year, we went to live in Australia, where we stayed
> for eight years. She is an artist painter, and I am an Architect.
> 
> When I met her in Mexico City, she was about to publish a books in
> Spanish on yoga and meditation. She introduced to me for the first
> time, the concepts of reincarnation, karma and then Madame Blavatsky.
> 
> Soon after our arrival in Australia, and through the yellow pages we
> found the address of the T.S. and began to attend its lectures every
> week. Later we joined the Society. At that time, we didn't know
> the existence of any other Theosophical Organization nor did we
> understand the difference between Theosophy and pseudo-theosophy.
> 
> My wife, Maritza, had already the S.D. and Isis in Spanish; we thought
> that Blavatsky and the T.S. were one and same thing. During those days
> we began to buy most of H.P.B.'s original works in English,
> including the Collected Writings, but unfortunately we also bought many
> books belonging to the so called "second generation theosophy." 
> At that time we discovered your magnificent Secret Doctrine Reference
> Series of which we bought about twenty books.
> 
> After three or four years, we were invited to belong to the Esoteric
> Section of the T.S. (1986). In 1988, the year of the Australian
> Bicentenary, we had the opportunity to stay at the Manor, in Mosman,
> Sydney, the headquarters of the E.S. in Australia. In 1989, we went
> back to Mexico.
> 
> As you know, the Manor was the main residence of the infamous
> Leadbeater. His memory roams about the place and is still alive in
> every corner of the house. On almost every wall hangs a portrait of
> him, together with those of his initiated pupils like Annie Besant,
> Jinarajadasa, Arundale, etc.
> 
> One day, I was reading the Biobibliography of G.R.S. Mead in the
> Collected Writings, Vol. XIII; I was puzzled by certain words written by
> Boris de Zirkoff concerning C.W.L.'s oblique practices, and later at
> the Manor`s Library — which is at the top floor, overlooking a
> magnificent view of Sydney`s Harbour — I found out the confirmation
> of the statement made in several books like: The Theosophical Movement:
> 1875-1925, The Theosophical Movement: 1875-1950, The Elder Brother,
> etc.
> 
> During the next months of our sojourn at the Manor, Maritza and I
> launched ourselves in an in depth research, using almost all our free
> time commenting daily on the fruits of our inquiry. In the end, we were
> both happy and sad. Happy because we were able to get rid of so much
> accumulated garbage that we had picked up since we joined the T.S.; and
> sad, because nobody at the Manor was willing to listen to our findings.
> 
> Although the Manor is referred by the members as the "Occult Center
> for the Southern Hemisphere", most of the classes are based on the
> most anthropomorphic conceptions written by Annie Besant and C.W.
> Leadbeater. It is something similar to a brain washing. They try to
> convince you, for instance, that Mahatma Gandhi was evil, and that it is
> good to kill in certain occasions. They talk about occult geopolitics,
> etc.
> 
> There is a so called Egyptian Rite invented by C.W. Leadbeater and
> Wedgwood. It is like a masquerade or carnival where people of the E.S.
> will disguise themselves like Egyptians to perform a promiscuous rite,
> that is half Masonic and half Roman Catholic Mass. It is a secret
> organization within the E.S. Originally this rite had two degrees: the
> blue and the red, but now there is only one left. The celebration of
> the E.R. takes place in a large room in the ground floor of the Manor,
> called "The Temple". The ceremony is presided by the head of
> the Manor. The rite is considered by the members to be: "very
> powerful". The climax of the celebration is when the chalice is
> hold by the priestess and the brethren take communion from the chalice
> and the host. After that all brethren present, raise their arms —
> as one can see in the Egyptian vignettes — and "send forces to
> the world".
> 
> As we were very disappointed with the Adyar Society, on our way back to
> Mexico City, at the L.A. airport, I made a phone call to the United
> Lodge of Theosophists, inquiring if they had any lodge in Mexico City. 
> They gave me two names and an address.
> 
> In May 1991, one afternoon, we were driving through a certain street in
> Mexico City, when I told Maritza: "Look, that house is the T.S.
> Adyar in Mexico." The address was given to me in Sydney. So,
> without thinking one second, Maritza told me: "Stop the car, let us
> see what they are doing." As we entered into the place, we were
> lucky to be received by the General Secretary himself. He is the one
> who sent to you the first issues of Atma Vidya. At that moment he was
> engaged in preparing an International Congress on Theosophy, to take
> place in a luxury hotel in Mexico City. After a very animated
> conversation, and knowing that Maritza is Australian, he immediately
> invited her to give a lecture, putting her name in the program. She
> gave her lecture in English.
> 
> As the smog in Mexico City was becoming thicker at every day, we decided
> to migrate south. We bought a plot of land in a village called
> Tepoztlan, which is located forty minutes south of Mexico City and
> thirty minutes east of Cuernavaca. The village is surrounded by
> beautiful mountains and with a pyramid on top.
> 
> The T.S. General Secretary, Carlos Lopez Cerdan, had a house in
> Cuernavaca, so we met frequently. I was able to give him a manuscript
> that I had written at the time, showing the difference between real
> Theosophy and the altered one. This had a positive impact on him, and
> very soon he asked me to start a Secret Doctrine course at the
> headquarters in Mexico City and Cuernavaca.
> 
> On one occasion, he showed me the first issue of the Vidya Magazine
> which he was preparing. He asked my opinion. I felt that all his
> efforts were useless, as most of his articles were written by second
> generation Theosophists. He then asked me to be editor. The first
> thing needed to do was to change the title of the magazine from Vidya to
> Atma Vidya, and then to change the contents, presenting articles on
> Original Theosophy. After that, we had many meetings in his house and
> ours. I designed the cover, Maritza chose the colors and a photo of
> H.P.B. I was supposed to translate only a couple of articles, and the
> rest will be done by other people; but when we received the translations
> I saw that they were faulty, so I had to do the job myself. All of a
> sudden I was engaged in a work that I never dreamt of doing before. By
> the time we reached the fourth issue, Carlos was finishing his term as
> General Secretary and the T.S. was unable to pay the expenses involved
> in printing the magazine.
> 
> By this time we were in contact with Geoffrey Farthing from London and
> his Blavatsky Trust. Thus, to be able to print Atma Vidya — being
> inspired by Geoffrey Farthing — we formed the "Fundación
> Blavatsky" (The Blavatsky Foundation), an independent Theosophical
> organization. This association consisted of most of the people in the
> S.D. classes, both from Cuernavaca and Mexico City. Each person gave
> some amount of money so that we were able to print issue five and six. 
> Currently, we are preparing issue seven.
> 
> Meanwhile, Geoffrey Farthing asked me to translate his Deity Cosmos and
> Man which I think is a very good introduction to Theosophy. Since our
> return to Mexico, we soon realized that there were very few works in
> Spanish about real Theosophy, whereas practically all the works of 
> pseudo-theosophy are available in translations from Spain, Argentina,
> Mexico, etc. The few original works that were translated were faulty,
> for example, Isis Unveiled was practically reinvented by the translator.
> When you compare (page by page) the English and Spanish versions, they
> are totally two different books.
> 
> The Secret Doctrine has a better translation but it is based on the
> revised edition of Annie Besant and arranged in six volumes which
> includes the so called third volume of the S.D. Perhaps the statement
> of the U.L.T. to the effect that the third and revised? Edition of the
> S.D. has more than 40,000 changes could be a bit exaggerated, but I
> think it is not far away from the truth. Even the Stanzas have been
> tampered with. We have also The Voice of the Silence in Spanish
> translated by Don Francisco Montoliú from Spain around 1890. It is a
> good translation, although maybe too plain. The Key to Theosophy was
> translated around the same time in Spain by Don Jose Xifré; it is a
> good translation. A few years back in 1993, a new translation was
> issued in Spain. Although these translations are in general good, they
> give in Spanish a wrong rendering of the English word Self, and they
> pass unnoticed many important subtle distinctions like for instance the
> difference in translation of words like remembrance, recollection, and
> reminiscence.
> 
> As you can see, we have a huge task before us. We would need more
> translators. Most of our members are eager to help, but they do not
> know English. One of them has been very useful. He has the skill to
> bind books and thanks to him, we are able to publish in high quality
> photocopies all the supplements of Atma Vidya and the Uruguayan
> translation of The Mahatma Letters.
> 
> So far we have in print or in process:
> Atma Vidya
> No. 1 About H.P.B. as a messenger
> No. 2 The Masters and Meditation
> No. 3 Emblems, Symbols and Diagrams of Theosophy
> No. 4 The Yoga of Theosophy
> No. 5 Dreams
> No. 6 What is Theosophy?
> No. 7 Devachan and the Post-Mortem States
> 
> My best wishes to you,
> Greetings
> J. Ramón Sordo
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Bruce,
> >
> > Could you help us by putting José Ramón Sordo's text on the
> Adyar Egyptian Rite here? The one which was published in your good
> FOHAT magazine.
> >
> > I thank MKR for this testimony -- interesting.
> >
> >
> > Regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
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> > Cópia:
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> > Data:Sat, 7 Oct 2006 16:45:31 -0500
> >
> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Egyptian Rite and Adyar
> >
> > > Thanks for quick response. I have seen Tillett's mention in his
> book. I have
> > > glanced thru Farthing's manifesto and seems to have overlooked his
> mention
> > > of the subject item.
> > >
> > > I would be looking forward to Sordo's and anyone else's
> writing/info.
> > >
> > > I recall that couple of years ago, I believe in theos-l, there was a
> msg.
> > >
> > > As I recall, a theosophist ran into a certificate in his mother or
> > > grandmother's possession and he brought it to a meeting when one of
> the
> > > American Section's officers was visiting the TS lodge. When the
> officer saw
> > > the document, there was a sense of surprise and then the officer and
> an
> > > officer of local lodge went aside and had a brief conversation and
> the
> > > officer talked the member to part with the document. The member of
> TS, not
> > > familiar with the rite, did not think much of the document and
> willingly
> > > parted with the document. May be one someone on this list may be
> able to
> > > locate and re-post the msg here.
> > >
> > > MKR
> > >
> > > On 10/7/06, carlosaveline wrote:
> > > >
> > > > MKR, Bruce,
> > > >
> > > > There is an article written by Ramón Sordo, actually a letter
> to Richard
> > > > Robb, which was published in FOHAT not long ago. The text tells
> something of
> > > > Sordo's experience with the "Rite" in Australia.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps Bruce, FOHAT's editor, can bring that to us here.
> > > >
> > > > As to Geoffrey Farthing's, mention to the subject, it is rather
> brief and
> > > > it is in his Manifesto. I hope someone can Farthing Manifesto and
> its
> > > > Supplement here.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > G. Tillett's texts about the E. Rite have been brought here at
> Theos-talk
> > > > some time ago and I also discussed the issue months ago.
> > > >
> > > > In time, more can come to light.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Carlos.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > Data:Fri, 6 Oct 2006 20:24:20 -0500
> > > >
> > > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Egyptian Rite and Adyar
> > > >
> > > > > Can someone post any of the material that Farthing and Sordo has
> > > > written. It
> > > > > would be of general interest to many here.
> > > > >
> > > > > mkr
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 10/6/06, carlosaveline wrote:
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> > > > > > Geoffrey Farthing (UK), José Ramón Sordo (Mexico)
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