Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00056)

Dear MKR,


Thanks a lot,


Carlos. 
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Data:Thu, 5 Oct 2006 16:52:15 -0500

Assunto:Re: Theos-World Re: "Theosophical CoMasonry"


> The following post has the url for the appeals court decision. A very
> interesting read.
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> http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200511/tt00086.html
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> The law suit is all about the property and money. Nothing to do with
> non-monetary issues.
> 
> mkr
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> http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200511/tt00086.html
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> On 10/5/06, carlosaveline wrote:
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> > Dear Marie, Dear MKR, Friends,
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> > Thanks to you both.
> >
> > Yes, Marie -- and I can tell you that the split was most bitter in Brazil
> > too.
> >
> > No doubt, "Leadbeaterian Masonry", which misuses the name of the great
> > 18th century mystic and sage St. Germain -- among other misuses -- is
> > getting weaker and weaker. It seems to be the autumn and "last winter" of a
> > whole cycle. The next rebirth or spring will have to be, I guess, much
> > nearer to the original Theosophy.... I guess, or hope, the Adyar TS will in
> > the future meet the rest of the movement around the sacred and common fire
> > of real Theosophy.
> >
> > MKR, I will thank you if you can bring here to us more about this
> > process. Please do so.
> >
> > In Brazil there was bitter discussion and dispute about money and
> > properties, but I don't think it got to the level of lawsuits here. I should
> > check that.
> >
> > The Adyar movement uses the TS as a facade of apparent "liberty of
> > thought" -- and then the Liberal Catholic priests and pseudo-masonry
> > "cardinals" recruit neophytes from such a public .... to feed their own
> > illusions of pseudo-occultism.
> >
> > This is not fair to the wide movement created by HPB, HSO and WQJ.
> >
> > I use to call that "a trap" to neophytes.
> >
> >
> > Best regards, Carlos.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Data:Wed, 4 Oct 2006 21:00:24 -0500
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> > Assunto:Re: Theos-World "Theosophical CoMasonry"
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> > > The American Co-Masonic order split into two some years ago and was
> > > litigated in the Federal Courts and the whole episode is remniscent of
> > the
> > > breaking away of US from Britain. Anyone interested can read the nice
> > > historical background and the legal issues in the decision handed out by
> > the
> > > US Court of Appeals. It can be found by googling and downloaded. If
> > anyone
> > > has a problem in locating the decision, leave a msg here and I will be
> > able
> > > to locate it.
> > >
> > > mkr
> > >
> > >
> > > On 10/4/06, MarieMAJ41@aol.com wrote:
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> > > >
> > > > Carlos, I totally agree with you about this. The split has left many
> > > > old members bitter, and since I have been on this forum my eyes have
> > > > been opened to a great deal that I wish I had known before. But never
> > > > too late is it? The reason I told Ken to write or contact Betty Bland
> > > > is because she is in a position to truly enlighten him about the new
> > > > co-masonic lodge that was started by John Algeo under the request of
> > > > Radha. All of the members who remained with the NEW lodge are people
> > > > who live and work at Wheaton. And the payoff for some of them was that
> > > > they were awarded the 33rd degree which they never would have received
> > > > had they remained with the old established "Le Droit Humain". So the
> > > > carrot sticks were tasty indeed.
> > > > Marie
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: carlosaveline@terra.com.br
> > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Cc: cardosoaveline@yahoo.com.br
> > > > Sent: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 9:51 AM
> > > > Subject: Theos-World "Theosophical CoMasonry"
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> > > > Dear Ken Shaw,
> > > >
> > > > This Masonic Order, "Le Droit Humain", which is called co-masonic
> > > > because it accepts women, was founded in the 19th century and was
> > > > "adopted" by CW Leadbeater and Annie Besant as part of the Adyar
> > > > Movement early in the 20th century.
> > > >
> > > > But only after old Olcott was dead and when absurdities started
> > getting
> > > > wild.
> > > >
> > > > A few years ago, though, by 2002, this Order had a split. The masonic
> > > > rite adopted and transformed by Leadbeater was not accepted any longer
> > > > by the Order (based in Paris), and John Algeo and Radha Burnier then
> > > > led a Split and the creation of another co-masonic order,
> > > > pseudo-theosophical and Adyar oriented, formally led by Ms. Radha.
> > > >
> > > > In Brazil, half of the Order remained with Paris, the other half went
> > > > on with Radha and Algeo into a new Order, and the split opposed
> > members
> > > > of the Adyar Society in a bitter way. The same must have happened in
> > > > other countries.
> > > >
> > > > It's a Leadbeaterian order and it believes in all his fancies about
> > > > Saint-Germain and ritualism.
> > > >
> > > > It also works as a power-behind-the-throne in the Adyar TS.
> > > >
> > > > Yet the true theosophical movement is far from being ritualistic. The
> > > > theosophical movement is based on the autonomy of the learner. It is
> > > > not popish like the Liberal Catholic Church, or authoritarian as the
> > > > Leadbeaterian Masonic Order.
> > > >
> > > > Interesting to note: Jiddu Krishnamurti utterly condemned ritualism;
> > > > yet most 'Krishnamurtians', including Radha Burnier, are also Masons
> > > > and take part in other forms of Leadbeaterian ritualism, as the
> > > > "Egyptian Rite"...
> > > >
> > > > Someone should ask an explanation from them.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline, from Brazil.
> > > >
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> > > > Data:Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:22:07 -0000
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> > > > Assunto:Theos-World Theosophical "CoMasonry"?
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> > > > > Howdy!
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> > > > > Do any of you fine folks know anything about Theosophical "Universal
> > > > > CoMasonry"? I would like to learn more about it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken Shaw
> > > > > Wonder Lake, Illinois
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