Theos-Talk Archives (October 2006 Message tt00006)

Jake,

Thanks for your comments at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/36217

I wrote:

"So WHO was the someone (mentioned by Jake) to transmit this [KH 
Concentration] letter if not HPB or Judge???"

and, Jake, you replied:

"Well, I think YOU KNOW [caps added] that it was UNDOUBTEDLY [caps 
added] Julia ver Planck ('Keightly' AFTER 1891) - but YOU WANT [caps 
added] someone else to say it."

Jake, I'm glad you shared your thinking about what I know and what I 
want!   .....     :)

Undoubtedly???  Hmmm.

At this point in time, I am inclined to believe it was NOT Julia 
who "transmitted" this KH letter.  That in fact, it was either Judge 
or HPB.  Certain things even lead me to speculate that it was 
transmitted thru HPB.  But I'm always on the lookout for more 
definite evidence/facts/documents that will tip the scale and 
confirm how the letter/mss was actually transmitted.

Again, Jake, you write:

"Actually, you LIKE the concentration method described - so you 
think it is genuine. I DISLIKE it and think it is inconsistent - so 
I think it is phoney."

Those are all your caps!!!!

I ...   LIKE???  Are you sure???

But, yes, I do get the impression you DISLIKE the letter!!!  :)

But I think that the issue of whether the letter is phoney KH or not 
is something to be determined by various evidences/reasoning/etc and 
should not depend on just one's LIKE or DISLIKE.

Actually, years ago when I first became interested in this KH 
Concentration letter as found in ES Instruction #5, I was somewhat
uncomfortable with it.  I had reservations about it.  At that time 
it seemed to me that it contradicted various other teachings of 
HPB/the Mahatmas and I [AT THAT TIME] wondered if this KH letter was 
a production thru Besant or Judge after HPB's death.  This interest 
led me to years of research trying to determine when the letter 
first surfaced:  before HPB died or after....etc. etc. So I don't 
think LIKE really applies to me.....even now.

You also write:

"If dan can't tell the difference between this purported teacher 
letter and the genuiness of the Prayag Letter, etc., - but keeps 
refering to them as other 'phoney letters' because fairy-seeing
Leadbeaterites like Sherman doesn't like them - then gods help the 
poor man!"

Oh, I'm touched by your concern for me [the poor man]!!

First of all, I have no doubt that the Prayag Letter is genuine.  

And all I have pointed out is that you think the KH Concentration 
letter is phoney and other Theosophical students (including Shearman 
but he is not the only one) would say the Prayag Letter and Letter 
#10 on God are also phoney....

Remember Hugh Shearman is not the only person who holds that view.  
And I don't think all of the persons who hold that view are (as you 
characterize them) "fairy-seeing Leadbeaterites"....

I have had several discussions with some students who were at least 
not obvious Leadbeaterites and they still didn't believe a true 
Master would write what is found in the Prayag letter or in Letter 
#10.

For my own part, I couldn't quite understand their reasoning on this 
so I'm probably not the one to give a good presentation of their 
views.

In fact, again, I don't share either their views or Shearman's view 
on the Prayag letter and Letter #10 on God.

But when you declare:

"If dan can't tell the difference between this purported teacher 
letter and the genuiness of the Prayag Letter, etc.,....then gods 
help the poor man!"

you might also reflect on the following:
  
For example, Charles J. Ryan considered the "Concentration" letter 
genuine.  I have his handwritten comments.

And I believe Basil Crump did.

And don't forget Julia also believed in the KH Concentration letter!

So remember Jake --- what is obvious to you may not be obvious to 
another well-versed and sincere student.

And then you write:

"...I think the 'concentrate on the master as a living man in your 
heart' is a phoney method, which especially some women and 
homosexuals would find apealing, (this is NOT pointing any fingers 
specifically)..."

I won't comment at this point on these choice words of yours but 
will simply ask:  I guess Julia falls into this category of "some 
women"???

Daniel
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