Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00537)

Re Tibet & Discernment
  
  Re Ken & Carlos comments on "last quarter 
effort."  Something that sticks in my 
mind is a comment from the literature 
somewhere that "after the light comes 
the shadow."  After pushing the "good 
things" for a while and waking minds up 
a bit and trying to induce change, a 
negative reaction results also, and if 
you push too hard, beyond person's 
capacity, instead of more "light" you 
just get a worse and worse negative 
reaction, and end up with things worse 
than they were before.
  
   'Agree with Ken that at the beginning 
of a century is the time to more 
materialize things, and shift to a 
more mundane plane.  This is how people 
are too.  After so much studying of 
philosophy, the lower self can't 
maintain interest, or be made to maintin 
interest, and ones's natural interest 
goes to a lower plane, so to speak, 
literature, psychology, maybe social 
work, or even - theosophical history!  
'which is a natural process, and nothing 
wrong with it.
  
     Was reading some of Leon Maurer's 
material, can't say I follow it all, but 
seems to be a description of the "matter" 
side of the projection or manifestation, 
with endless fields and sub-fields, and 
levels.  I wonder where the subjective 
side of things fits into it all.  From 
this perspective, one would have to see 
himself as an "I" or experiencer as just 
a certain group of "fields," grounded 
ultimately in the "zero-point" or Brahman.
  
   J.D. Buck, Judge's friend, was mentioned 
and I have a note that someone called 
"The Great Works Scans" has recently put 
about a half-dozen of his books / scans onto 
CD's and is selling them for $5 a piece. 
(no address)
             - jake j.
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  <1a. Tibet & Discernment
    Posted by: "carlosaveline" carlosaveline@terra.com.br 
cardosoaveline
    Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 6:56 am (PDT)
  <Ken,
  Thanks.
  <Too soon to look at 1975-2000? 
  Perhaps -- for a distanced evaluation, yes. 
  <But it is not too soon to put things 
and facts on record. And that was my point. 
  <Besides, the change in vibration around 
2000-2001 was (has been) most significant, 
and I see scarcely anyone attempting to 
understand it, except off-the-record and 
in private. 
  <In general, people did not stop to 
understand or investigate what 
happened to the vibration rates in 2000-2001. 
  <That evaluation, even with partial results, 
would help sections of the movement have 
some idea of what is going on, instead of 
just "keeping business as usual" as if 
nothing had changed.   
  <Things did change. And they will change 
more towards 2012 and 2020.  
  <One does not have to pretend one is  "the 
Messiah" to feel some co-responsibility 
and to ask oneself what one can do to help 
stimulate a better dialogue and understanding 
of the path --  in "beginnings of centuries". 
  <What are the characteristics of "start-of-
the century-efforts"? 
  <Regards,  Carlos. 
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  <1b. Re: Tibet & Discernment
    Posted by: "kensmall@earthlink.net" 
Kensmall@earthlink.net tortugacuervo
    Date: Fri Sep 29, 2006 5:53 pm (PDT)
  CARLOS - A FEW THOUGHTS AND EXAMPLES IN CAPS.
  KEN
  <Thanks.
  <LOOKING BACK AT THE CYCLE PATTERN, IT 
SEEMS THAT THE SPIRITUAL QUALITIES
THAT ARE 'OPENED' DURING THE LAST QUATER 
CENTURY, THEN MUST BE MADE INTO
PRACTICE AND ROOTED IN LONGER TERM 'FORM'. 
TINGLEY'S EFFORT (1897-1942) AT POINT 
<LOMA 'INCARNATED' THEOSOPHY INTO EDUCATION, 
ART, DRAMA, MUSIC, LITERATURE AND DAILY 
PRACTICE. HER IDEA WAS TO MAKE THEOSOPHY 
'INTENSELY PRACTICAL'. IN THE LARGER 
<VIEW, IN ADDITION TO TINGLEY, ALSO 
BESANT-OLCOTT, MONTESSORI, STEINER, 
KRISHNAMURTI ALL CONTRIBUTED TO THEOSOPHIC 
<EDUCATION IN SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT WAYS 
THROUGHOUT THE CENTURY. I OFFER THIS AS JUST 
ONE EXAMPLE. IN OTHER WAYS MUCH WAS 
<LOST. FOR EXAMPLE WITHIN THE FIRST DECADE
OF THE 20TH, THE AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION 
FORMED AND THE 'ECLECTIC MEDICAL MOVEMENT' 
WAS UTTERLY DESTROYED HAVING TO WAIT FOR 
<THE HOLISTIC RENAISSANCE BEGINNING THE  
1970'S. A FULL 60 YEAR 'DOWN CYCLE'. THIS 
IS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW A VERY STRONG AN 
<POSITIVE ASPECT OF THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT 
FROM 1875-1900 - THE ECLECTIC MEDICAL 
<MOVEMENT -- WAS OVER POWERED IN A COUPLE 
OF YEARS ! (MANY OF HPB'S ASSOCIATES WERE 
KEY PEOPLE IN THIS SEE HISTORY OF DR. 
<ALEXANDER WILDER J.D BUCK, JOHN URI LLOYD ETC.
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