Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00355)

Jake, Friends, 

Thanks a lot. 

In the "Mahatma Letters"  it is said that Adepts can magnetically "disconnect" undesired thoughts about them,  coming from people who are not 'lay chelas'. 

Of course, even lay chelas' thoughts will not disturb them as they have means to build barriers and 'accept 'thoughts only when is it correct to do so.

Besides, their 'observatories' are often kept running by regular, advanced and trained chelas.  This is also documented, or clearly hinted, in Letters. 

On top of that, Adepts can, no doubt, change physical bodies as they please, or have a physical body and use it only once in a while. (See for instance Geoffrey Barborka's book on the Masters and their Letters, and "The Mahatma Letters".) 

On the other hand, one of the Mahatmas, the one who wrote most Letters, was severely warned by his own Master not to interfere too much with theosophists and with the movement...  I saw and marked at least two of such warnings in the HPB/Masters literature available to us. 

HPB wrote ( I also have the data) that the suffering of this Master in His human intervals was tremendous ("human intervals" are HPB's words). Such suffering in his 'human intervals' was  possibly due to that tremendous decision to sacrifice everything for mankind.  

Compassion is no small feeling for one who sees the BULK of human suffering. The "Master of Masters"  was most certainly protecting him through such severe warnings. 

So, this is a serious matter. And yet I tend to think that the Masters did not "get into serious trouble" because of  "us".

So I hope!

Yet, there is no doubt that the state of human karma in the late 19th century did help kill the Old Lady. She was supposed to live up to 1900... but it seems that certain things in London made it not worthwhile any longer.  

Then she got her passport HOME.  

Good for her, not so good for us. 

Best regards,  Carlos. 

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Data:Sat, 16 Sep 2006 12:57:40 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Theos-World Did We Kill the Adepts?

> Did We Kill the Adepts?
> 
> I have to agree with the idea 
> of not talking about adepts all 
> the time, especially personally 
> in portraits, name and visualizations. 
> "The cant about masters" as it says 
> in the 1900 letter.
> 
> What sacrifice was made to make 
> Theosophy public in the 1800's? 
> I wonder what the karmic effect was, 
> especially in the short term. Hate 
> was aroused against them by thousands 
> and millions. Then you have thousands 
> of not-too-stable types thinking they 
> are in constant communication with 
> them, and discussions and mentions 
> of their names AD INFINITUM. They 
> were humans also, and subject to 
> the same things other humans are, 
> and what is the result of being 
> the object of attention with strong 
> emotions of millions in one form 
> or another. Mundanely, one can 
> see the result of public attention 
> or adoration in the sad fates of 
> many public figures, like movie 
> stars, for instance. Are they 
> immune to all this, or is it something 
> one would constantly waste effort 
> on in fighting off?
> 
> Plus - were the adepts all-seeing 
> in everything? Maybe the portraits 
> were just a personal gesture to HPB 
> and the inner dedicated Theosophists, 
> and may never have been considered 
> that millions would end up gawking 
> at them. This is part of the ULT 
> objection to the portraits, I think. 
> A subtle, occult connection could 
> be made from knowing someone's likeness. 
> Do they have the same bodies any more? 
> Who knows? It could be that they 
> are not even imbodied any more - and 
> due to a huge karmic price in the 
> short term - every evil influence 
> reacts to any REAL effort to aid 
> humanity to escape all the "vested 
> interests" and mental slavery it 
> labors under. The price may have 
> been tremendous and all our constant 
> emotional attention on them May Have 
> Killed Them Off! Who could stand 
> such a backlash from all of Theosophy? 
> It may have literally Killed them, 
> that's the sacrifice. 'And all the 
> needless "cant" and discussion of 
> masters doesn help, it Hurts, as 
> stated in the 1900 letter. The 
> philosophy is really what matters, 
> not the personalities.
> 
> - jake j.
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