Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00275)

Daniel, 

Thanks. 

You wite: 

"I think serious students should learn what they can about the real Masters..." 

Good! Please do so by all means.  

Real Masters have nothing to do with publicizing portraits privately circulated
115 years ago.  Read the 1900 Letter,  brother Daniel.  

In order to have real contact with Masters, HPB teaches us that there really exists  a "steep and narrow, uphill way", and this may be called "aspiration to discipleship".  

Will you renounce the gossip-speculations, Daniel, and discuss the real thing?


Or do you HAVE to stick to  a 'theosophical tabloid' approach to the "esoteric royal family"?

You decide.   Carlos. 







 
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Data:Thu, 14 Sep 2006 18:30:50 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Attachment to Old Portraits

> Carlos,
> 
> I love the way you always put your little "spin" on things.
> I do not worship the Masters. 
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> If you don't like the portraits fine. But others may view them
> differently than you. HPB even provided copies of the portraits to 
> her Esoteric students. 
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> But because so much claptrap has been published about the
> Masters (yes by for example by Besant, Leadbeater, Wedgwood, etc. 
> etc.), I think serious students should learn what they
> can about the real Masters as one can find in the original 
> literature of the time of HPB. Fine if YOU want to ignore the info 
> and consider it personality gossip but others might want to know 
> something about them. Jesus...the Mahatma Letters give alot of 
> personal info about them...do you consider reading the letters as 
> indulging in personality gossip. 
> 
> But at the same time I am not one to make the Masters remote and 
> abstract individuals either. Plus many inquirers and students want 
> to know about them! Is that such a crime?
> 
> And then you are so kind (??) to give me advice. The Aveline Advice 
> I guess we could call it. You write:
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> But I tell you, Daniel -- there is more than one life for an upper 
> triad, and what you do in one lifetime determines the kind of 
> chances, or opportunities, you will have in the next ones. Those 
> who bring "Theosophy" down to the personality and physical plane, 
> will get "opportunities" at this same level in the future. 
> 
> I guess you have by now a great opportunity right in front of you, 
> Daniel. You can turn your attention to the Philosophy of Theosophy 
> and thus help the movement to go ahead from personalistic gossips.
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> Oh how kind of you! 
> 
> You no doubt have shared some great insight of yours.
> 
> Believe it or not I am also interested in the Philosophy of 
> Theosophy but I had much rather learn from "karma" even if it is in 
> a future life than from the blathering of...
> 
> Daniel
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
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> > Daniel,
> > 
> > Well, I have noticed that publicizing the old 19th hundred 
> portraits of the Masters' physical vehicles is a favourite activity 
> of yours. 
> > 
> > And this, in spite of the fact that they clearly said -- in the 
> 1900 Letter and elsewhere -- that people should avoid adoring their 
> poor "personal" selves. People should have devotion for the Supreme 
> Principle or Universal Truth, alone. Their words. 
> > 
> > You write, very 'Besant sounding' : 
> > 
> > " .... sometimes depending on the circumstances or the individual, 
> they [Masters] may communicate in a very definite visual or verbal 
> way. (...) 
> > (...) on another personal note, I find their portraits as painted 
> in 
> > 1884 as very beautiful, inspiring and uplifting."
> > 
> > 
> > I said Besant only? No. You are sounding like Leabeater and 
> Besant. Both created a degrading personalistic cult around the 
> Mahatmas (something Sigmund Freud can explain very well, by the 
> way). 
> > 
> > As Ernest Wood asked in the title of his book -- "Is This 
> Theosophy?"
> > 
> > Is this Theosophy, Daniel? 
> > 
> > Transforming parts of the theosophical movement in Personalistc 
> Cults and thinking of Adepts as if they were the Catholic Saints of 
> James Wedgwood's Liberal Church? Yes, Daniel, the cult for 
> portrait is something you seem to have in common with Wedgwood, too. 
> > 
> > As you know, people who personalize the Mahatmas and thus distort 
> their true existence soon start asking personal favours from the 
> portraits! I hope this did not happen to you. 
> > 
> > But I tell you, Daniel -- there is more than one life for an 
> upper triad, and what you do in one lifetime determines the kind of 
> chances, or opportunities, you will have in the next ones. Those 
> who bring "Theosophy" down to the personality and physical plane, 
> will get "opportunities" at this same level in the future. 
> > 
> > I guess you have by now a great opportunity right in front of you, 
> Daniel. You can turn your attention to the Philosophy of Theosophy 
> and thus help the movement to go ahead from personalistic gossips. 
> > 
> > Why not going beyond narrow petty gossips, physical plane 
> portraits -- and publicity for slanders?
> > 
> > It is all in your own hands!
> > 
> > 
> > Hopeful regards from your fellow planetary citizen, Carlos. 
> >
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