Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00237)

Carlos,

No, "Scribe" is not me. I always use my name Rodolfo Don (Rudy)

Regards, Rudy

On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:09 PM, carlosaveline wrote:

> Rudy Don,
>
> (I guess "Scribe", signed "Don", is you.)
>
> Thanks.
>
> Yes, paying attention to the world events with a meditative eye to  
> the Wisdom and Work of the elder Brothers is usefull -- at least,  
> to one's own inner learning!
>
> I am sure Theosophy (which breathes and works under different  
> names) has the answer to the world problems.
>
> I hope the theosophical movement can help with that.
>
> And I suspect that the movement was created for that mission, id  
> est; not in order for clever persons to simply discuss brilliant  
> paragraphs of esoteric literature, showing each other how smart  
> they are. It was created, I guess, so that that people could better  
> find peace in themselves while helping their fellow planetary  
> citizens.
>
> I am sure sooner or later the movement will be a better seedling of  
> the seeds planted by the Old Lady in the nineteenh century.
>
> As to the Prayag Letter references, they were hidden in a footnote  
> to my text. Here they are:
>
> * "" See 'The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett' - Letter 134, pp.  
> 454-457, in the TPH Adyar third edition (1972); Letter 30, pp,  
> 94-96, in the Chronological Edition, T.P.H. Philippines; or Letter  
> CXXXIV, pp. 461-464, in the T.U.P. edition, 1992, Pasadena, CA, USA.""
>
> Take a look at the other six letters on this subject, too --  
> references below. You might consider putting something about this  
> in your excellent website.
>
> Carlos.
>
> De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>
> Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>
> Cópia:"scribe" scribe@rs.org
>
> Data:Tue, 12 Sep 2006 17:37:02 -0400
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> Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Terrorism, Wars & the Original  
> Teachings
>
> > Carlos,
> >
> > Thank you so very much for your post, for saying what I  
> constantly feel inside about the world situation right now. I watch  
> all the cable news every night and in particular every TV  
> production about world events, like last night's "The Path to  
> 9/11." I sit there and know in my heart that Theosophy has the  
> answer(s) and that if everybody knew them there would be nor more  
> discord. I do what I can on the internet societies I belong to, but  
> it seems I get shouted down. I feel powerless, but I keep trying as  
> I can. I keep having this daydream of sitting down the the  
> Ayatollahs of Wahabism (sp) and clueing them in on what their  
> religion means and is trying to tell them. But even if Mohammad  
> came down from heaven on his white horse and told them the error of  
> their ways would they even listen? I feel inside that it is my duty  
> to try.
> >
> > Don
> > P.S.: Where can I find that Prayag Letter?
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: carlosaveline
> > To: theos-talk
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 4:44 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Terrorism, Wars & the Original Teachings
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > [ Earlier today, Sept. 12, Syrian military officers successfully  
> defended the USA Embassy in Damascus against the attack of  
> terrorists who were using two car bombs. Three terrorists were  
> killed, and a fourth one was arrested. While violence continues as  
> usual in the Gaza Strip and other places, you will see below an  
> analysis of the meaning of such events to theosophists, and the  
> ethical challenge we face because of present day acts of war and  
> terrorism. ]
> >
> > ooooo
> >
> >
> > Five years ago, on September 12, 2001, the world had just known  
> that a huge change was taking place; a turning point had been  
> reached, and it would be necessary to awaken to an entirely new  
> situation.
> >
> >
> > It is not clear whether we have awakened yet.
> >
> > The first reaction of the USA government to the 2001 terrorist  
> actions of Al Qaeda was developed at a merely military conventional  
> level. The results, as one can see in 2006, have been rather poor.
> >
> > Serious strategists could well have known - in September 2001 if  
> not even before - that an effort should be made to politically and  
> culturally isolate terrorists within the islamic community. This  
> could be made not only by stimulating social and economical justice  
> worldwide, but also by promoting interreligious friendship and  
> cultural interchange between Christians and Muslims.
> >
> > In India, where now (in 2005-2006) the terror also strikes with  
> violence, such a cros-cultural bridge should be built especially  
> between Hindus and Muslims. In Israel/Palestine, there should be a  
> cultural bridge between Jews, Christians and Arabs.
> >
> > Scarcely anything has been done in that direction so far. As the  
> theosophical movement includes dozens of thousands of people around  
> the world, perhaps it is the time for us to start asking ourselves:
> >
> > 1) Is there an occult explanation for the religious intolerance  
> we see around us?
> > 2) What do we have to learn from it?
> > 3) Are we mere spectators, or can we successfully do something  
> against the CAUSES of such interreligious fanaticism and violence?"
> >
> > As we look at the daily acts of violence in Irak, Afghanistan,  
> Israel/Palestine and in other countries, not to talk about the  
> danger of nuclear proliferation - perhaps we can suspect that we  
> are confronting the consequences of one mistake of ours: the fact  
> that the theosophical movement has not made any great effort, since  
> 1891, to expose the CAUSES of religious dogmatism. Yet we were most  
> emphatically invited to do that, by both H.P.B. and the Masters of  
> the Wisdom.
> >
> > Fortunately, we still can do that. And who else would make such  
> an effort, starting from correct philosophical foundadions?
> >
> > We should think more often about the "Prayag Letter", whose  
> authenticity is now universally accepted by theosophical groups. In  
> that text, one of the Himalayan Mahatmas says that the Gods of  
> Hinduism, Christianism, Islamism and other dogmatic religions are  
> NOT just "fiction".
> >
> > Such "Gods" are in fact real "Chohans of Darkness", the Ma-mo  
> Chohans, a materialistic sort of intelligences - and that's why  
> they actively inspire fanaticism, intolerance, war and terror.
> >
> > Through dogmatic religions these false gods try to block and and  
> hinder - in human minds and hearts - the action and influence of  
> the Dhyan Chohans, the "Chohans of Light" which stimulate human  
> evolution toward Truth.
> >
> > "All in the Universe is contrast", says the Master in that ground- 
> breaking document. (1)
> >
> > In the original teachings of Theosophy, the content of this  
> Letter is far from being an isolated fact. The text confirms the  
> remarkable position taken by the Masters with regard to dogmatic  
> religions in various other Letters, besides H. P. Blavatsky's books  
> and writings.
> >
> > There are at least seven Letters from Adepts dealing with  
> dogmatic religions:
> >
> > 1) The Prayag Letter, quoted above;
> > 2) Letter 10, non-chronological editions (or Letter 88,  
> chronological edition);
> > 3) Letter 22, non-chronological ed. (or 90, chronological edition);
> > 4) Letter 01, first series, in "Letters From The Masters of the  
> Wisdom", TPH-Adyar (1973 edition);
> > 5) Letter 43, first series, in "Letters From The Masters of the  
> Wisdom", TPH-Adyar (1973 edition);
> > 6) Letter 82, second series, "Letters From the Masters of the  
> Wisdom"; and
> > 7) Letter 46, first series, "Letters From the Masters of the  
> Wisdom", which is the famous "1900 Letter". As to this 1900 Letter,  
> see especially its full text, published in "Theosophical History",  
> London, October 1987, pp. 115-117.
> >
> > In the Theosophy of H.P.B. and the Masters, dogmatic religions  
> are clearly described as a "plague", very much in the same way as  
> Sigmund Freud would call them decades later in his essay "The  
> Future of an Illusion" (2). Those who can examine these two texts  
> will see that "The Future of an Illusion" is strikingly similar, in  
> content, to the Mahatma Letter number 10 ( non-chronological  
> editions).
> >
> > In the Psychological field, Carl G. Jung and his followers  
> abandoned the criticism of dogmatic religions started by Sigmund  
> Freud, just as some post-HPB theosophical leaders abandoned this  
> key aspect of her work..
> >
> > It was very convenient to stop fighting religious dogmatism, of  
> course. It is never easy to destroy thick walls of illusion and  
> ignorance, in any aspect of our "cultural traditions".
> >
> > To make the movement stop questioning dogmatic religions was one  
> of the most serious mistakes done by Annie Besant - as she left the  
> original teachings aside in order to start promoting her own  
> ritualistic illusions. Her successors but followed her steps.
> >
> > Yet, it must be said that unfortunately such a mistake is not  
> exclusive to Adyar. For this or that reason, other sections and  
> groups of the theosophical movement also abandoned the  
> "unconfortable" task of struggling to free humanity from dogmatic  
> religions. We seem to be facing now the ultimate results of such a  
> policy.
> >
> > In the progress toward illusion along 20th century, "being  
> spiritual" was made a synonym to "being brotherly", and "being  
> brotherly" was made to be "looking like a brotherly person". Hence  
> the need came to "make other people believe we look like brotherly  
> and friendly". Thus make-believe was important and truth was put at  
> the service of appearances.
> >
> > As a consequence of this, at least two well-known sentences,  
> present in the Letter-Report on the Chohan's Views about the  
> movement, are even more significant today than they were in the  
> 19th century - and they were already extremely important by then.  
> The sentences are:
> >
> > "The intellectual portions of mankind seem to be fast drifting  
> into two classes, the one unconsciously preparing for itself long  
> periods of temporary annihilation or states of non-consciousness,  
> owing to the deliberate surrender of their intellect, its  
> imprisonment in the narrow grooves of bigotry and superstition  
> (...); the other unrestrainedly indulging its animal propensities  
> with the deliberate intention of submitting to annihilation pure  
> and simple (...). Between degrading superstition and still more  
> degrading brutal materialism, the white dove of truth has hardly  
> room where to rest her weary unwelcome feet. It's time that  
> Theosophy should enter the arena (...)."(3)
> >
> > Real Theosophy, of course, is the one that should enter the  
> arena, not its watered-down versions. Giving up illusions is often  
> an uncomfortable task, but a central one.
> >
> > If we try to understand why such a decisive message from the  
> Mahatmas - their views about the dogmatic religions - was  
> suppressed from the daily life of the movement, perhaps we can  
> perceive the practical consequences for human history of the fact  
> that the theosophical movement partially abandoned the original  
> impulse it had received from HPB and the Mahatmas.
> >
> > Theosophy was not given to us as a merely literary exercise.  
> Reading the Original Writings over and over again and keeping them  
> available in print will not be enough.
> >
> > It is by understanding the practical importance of such teachings  
> for the world that we may answer to the challenges facing us right  
> now. We are citizens of a planetary civilization and have a  
> responsibility over it.
> >
> > For instance, there is much we can do - even if at an apparently  
> small scale - to promote the mutual understanding between religions  
> like Hinduism, Christianism, Islamism and Judaism.
> >
> > If we can TRY to express in an active and creative way our  
> feeeling of co-responsibility for the state of the world, we will  
> be able to develop some of the potentialities which the  
> theosophical movement has right now at its disposal. And Theos-talk  
> is one of the living laboratories for that.
> >
> >
> > Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline.
> >
> >
> > O o o O o o O o o O
> >
> > NOTES:
> >
> > (1) See "The Mahatma Letters to A.P. Sinnett" - Letter 134, pp.  
> 454-457, in the TPH Adyar third edition (1972); Letter 30, pp,  
> 94-96, in the Chronological Edition, T.P.H. Philippines; or Letter  
> CXXXIV, pp. 461-464, in the T.U.P. edition, 1992, Pasadena, CA, USA.
> >
> > (2) "The Future of an Illusion", Sigmund Freud, W.W. Norton &  
> Company, New Yok - London, copyright 1989, 80 pp.
> >
> > (3) Letter 01, first series, "Letters From The Masters of the  
> Wisdom", Adyar (1973 edition), pp. 3-4. This letter is wrongly know  
> as "The Maha-Chohan Letter". Yet it is not a letter - but a report.  
> And it was not written by the Maha-Chohan.
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