Theos-Talk Archives (September 2006 Message tt00194)

Daniel, Friends, 


1) One can say, in very general and impersonal terms, that many "intellectual" ideas and opinions  are in fact rationalizations of feelings and attachments belonging to the lower quaternary.  So self-observation is always useful. 

2) (As to Dallas,  I believe he has had a great, long and most useful life which should be celebrated by all and each of us here. I am sincerely grateful to him now and will be so in the future.  Dallas did a great job at Theos-talk and elsewhere -- and up to his last minute.) 

3) Daniel, what is the date, please, of that  Verson Harrison's quote you used?  When and where was it published?  Where did Harrison comment the FULL TEXT of the 1900 Letter, please?  

4) You do know, Daniel, that  V. Harrison never claimed to know much of the inner side of the movement, or even about the History of the Movement.  Just because he did ONE important thing does not make of him an infallible "Authority" on things he did not study. He did not claim being any sort of Central Authority. 

5) Theosophy in general,  and HPB in particular do invite us to think for ourselves. We are not comdemned to eternally repeat quotes from others, or to  forbid ourselves from thinking on our own and taking  responsibility for our views.  HPB tells us that there is much more to Theosophy than just replay and re-quote.  

6) Theosophists are free-thinkers and so far I have seen no significant arguments against the views I brought here. Does anyhone rationally defend  the idea that Old Olcott forged that Letter? 

7) The Full Text of the 1900 Letter does NOT support Annie Besant regarding Judge, at all. Onthe contrary,  it clearly  says A.B.  is under mayavic influences. Well, it is precisely because of those mayavic influences that Besant  persecuted  Judge in the 1890s... 

8) The letter describes nearly all the absurdities Besant would do from that moment until the end of her life.  There are oher cases in which the Masters write to "falling" disciples.  There are reasons for that. No only because the karma of the movement as a whole.  Also because the precise way the disciples "fall" in one incarnation should be as smooth as possible, for them to have other chances in the next incarnation.  In the M. Letters, there is at least one case of extreme patience of a Mahatma with a falling disciple, even after he had technically fallen,  and I can bring the evidences here.  

9) An unprejudiced analysis of the 1900 letter will show things that conventional "political thought" has prevented more than one people from seeing.  So far,  people "politically aligned with Adyar" have ignored the text because it shows A.  Besant completely out of line from the viewpoint of the Mahatmas; while people "politically aligned against Adyar" have widely ignored the text because Besant was supposed "not to deserve" any letter from Mahatmas any longer... 

10) The situation entirely changed with the publication of the FULL TEXT in 1987.  But the new evidences have been largely ignored -- rather for Tamasic and Political Reasons. 

It is evident that the Movement has a TAMASIC problem nowadays. 

Yet Time is the best friend of Truth.  

The movement will gradually wake up.  

Best regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline.  



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Data:Mon, 11 Sep 2006 19:35:40 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos, I hope you are not suggesting.... & other reflections

> Carlos,
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> You wrote:
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> "The analysis of the 1900 Letter goes far beyond what one or other 
> of us thought and wrote in those first 'emotional' moments, after 
> the full text of the letter was finally discovered and published...."
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> I hope you are NOT trying to suggest that the opinions of Dallas 
> TenBroeck, Vernon Harrison and Walter Carrithers about the 1900 KH 
> Letter were nothing but what they thought and wrote in those 
> FIRST "emotional" moments. 
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> They held their opinions years after the full text was published in 
> THE ECLECTIC THEOSOPHIST. In other words, they had a good number of 
> years to carefully reflect and ponder on the full text of this 
> letter. From what they wrote and also from what they said in 
> conversations about the 1900 letter (some of which I had with them), 
> I gather that they had definite "non-emotional" reasons for holding 
> the views that they did.
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> I just wanted to make that point clear.
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> Moving on.....
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> As I reflect on the various and differing views held about the 1900 
> KH letter, I think that these contradictory opinions by various long-
> time students of the Blavatsky and Mahatma literature should give 
> each of us --- PAUSE.
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> What is obvious to us may not be at all obvious to someone else!! 
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> How subjective (and unrealiable??) is OUR OWN "take" on this KH 
> letter?
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> It appears that equally sincere and knowledgeable students of 
> Theosophy can come to totally opposite views!!
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> Is our own "view" really any better or truer than theirs??
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> In fact, none of us may be in a good position or have the adequate 
> knowledge or insight to really KNOW whether the 1900 letter was 
> written by the real Mahatma KH or forged by some other person...
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> And concerning Harrison's opinion of the 1900 letter, IF Harrison is 
> wrong and the 1900 letter was NOT a forgery as he contends, then 
> what else might Harrison be wrong about in his report about other 
> Mahatma letters?? This is an observation made by one of my 
> correspondents.... 
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> Some food for thought...
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