Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00401)

Dear John, dear Friends, 

Thanks a lot for your posting below. Most interesting. I agree with much of what you say. 

I have a different view from you on the United Nations in that I see it as a centuries old dream,  only very partially come true by now.  

Victor Hugo dreamt about it. in the 19th century, poet Alfred Tennyson  -- clearly a Lay Chela of the Esoteric Wisdom --  wrote about the "Federation of Nations" which would come after a war with "ships" flying and firing death on the air above cities. 

In 1795, I. Kant had made in his essay "The Perpetual Peace" an 'utopian' proposal which corresponds almost to the letter to the conception of present-day United Nations, created in 1945. 

We all usually have too high expectations about the UN,  and then we get disappointed. But the fact is that the UN was conceived from the start as a consensus organization, and not as a world-government.  A consensus-organization can be stopped by nearly anyone of its members.  The UN is meant to consolidate peace by diplomatic means, but not to impose order on the planet.  

Imposing order, since 1945, has been a matter of 'gentlemen's agreement' among the Nations with Veto Power in the UN Security Council. 

There hgas been  a consensus, after 1945 and the Holocaust, that the Jewish People and Israel State have a right to live in peace.  Many Islamists, like Mr. Ahmadinajad, Iran's President, and a couple of Theos-talkers, would still prefer Hitler's "Final Solution" with regard to Israel and the Jews. 

I have to agree that Marxism has been widely a failure wherever it has had political power. 

But Western Democracies are also in need of a rebirth in terms of moral values. As the theosophical movement is, and the UN, and  every religion, etc.

As Western Democracies get challenged by renewed "death instincts" (as Freud would write)  and religious fanaticisms of various kinds, they have to renew themselves and rediscover their Common Wisdom. 

Of course, Death Adorers advocate for a "tabula rasa" or "final solution" through violence. This is their specialty, and their only fixed idea.  But they may be wrong in their bloodshed expectations. 

The 'Omega Point' , or sudden enlightenment  --  id est, the raising of unlimited divine consciouness amidst difficult times --  may occur when people least expect. 

Buddhi-Manas has a habit to say "present" and change things once situations get to really high temperatures. I guess we will see, and live, more in the coming years. 

Your analysis of the present times is lucid and clear.  

Hoping for the best,  Carlos. 

 

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Data:Sun, 13 Aug 2006 00:37:10 EDT

Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World HIZBOLLAH'S WAR WENT WRONG

> Carlos,
> Thanks for your comments. The fact remains Hezbollah has two Cabinet 
> Seats in the Government of Lebanon representative of the 32 seats they won in the 
> election. The People in Lebanon voted foe a Foreign Agency of Iran which is 
> also a certified Terrorist Organization. It has committed many murderous attacks 
> costing a great deal of lives and human suffering since Iran created it many 
> years ago when Khomeni came to power there. They deserve what they elect and 
> gave consent too in all it's just rewards. THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES. The 
> Palestinians did the same thing in electing a certified Terrorist Organization 
> Hamas to be their Elected Government. Fatah (A Socialist Party) also committed 
> crimes against Humanity, Arafat invented Hijacking Airliners and there is in my 
> opinion a direct link to Socialist/ Marxists who have no regard for life. The 
> latest Biographers of Stalin now place his direct murders at 70 million souls. 
> Mao Tse Sung is given credit for 40 million souls. Pol Pot is credited with 2 
> million souls. Caucesceu of Romania is credited with another two million 
> souls. The Vietnamese with more millions. The Archon of east Germany with more 
> millions. Saddam under the Baath Socialist Party dripped in the blood of the 
> Iraqis. Syria is also Baath Socialist. No. Korea has buried a few million murdered 
> also.The "Hint" is the Cold War never ended! People are always gullible to 
> nice sounding dialectic unfortunately.
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> BTW, have you looked carefully at the 1963 Treaty of Versailles which 
> unites Germany and France as if they were a single Nation . It requires they must 
> always be 100% unanimous on issues of Foreign Policy. Color Germany and France 
> together on the map of Europe in a single color and then remember the same 
> map under Hitler. France has both a Permanent member Veto in the U.N. and 
> Thermonuclear ICBMs which they Targeted on American city's during the Cold War. IN 
> the French Parliament it was the Communist Party that had senior right to speak 
> first after the President Addressed the Joint Parliament.
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> Hezbollah in private Cabinet meeting informed the Lebanon Government it 
> will not disarm under any condition whatever, is what I see reported. Nusrullah 
> seems to have manifoldly expanded his support toward becoming the head of 
> Government as his purpose line there. China's internal policy is to proliferate 
> Nuclear Weapons and the means of delivery to Islamic states, they provided a 
> complete finished product set of Blueprints for their older Nuclear Weapon to 
> Khan in Pakistan. Khan in turn proliferates the technology to others as far as he 
> could before the West found out. Not withstanding that he was acknowledged as 
> the Hero of Pakistan and rewarded.
> Saudi Arabia has a strong program to develop IRBM's it is costly and what 
> do you think they plan to be the payload? The operative dictum seems to be 
> "Give us all that we demand or we will kill you some more."
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> The situation in Iraq has made a steady progress achieving the goals that 
> were stated to all in serial order one step at a time bathed in the blood of 
> sacrifice extorted by the degenerate socialist of the Baath Party and the 
> ruling Families that benefited under the Saddam catastrophe. Freedom was never won 
> by faint hearted people any where that I know of. A survey of the worlds 
> countries turns up the primary villains still killing innocents in places Like 
> Nepal, Kashmir, Philippines, Sri Lanka, Turkey, Kurdistan, Columbia, Nigeria, 
> Lebanon, Gaza, Portugal, and other location, all done by Marxist Socialist 
> Communists who all profess they are only killing innocent people so they can created 
> their idea of Totalitarian dictatorship!
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> It needs that the so-called "Arab Wisdom" has to be separated from the 
> general scene observed in almost all of the 22 Arab Nations and by degree's in 
> the larger 66 Islamic Nations as a whole. To be frank what I observe are bottom 
> of the barrel racists. Bigots, despots, and a culture which still in the 21st 
> century holds that women a chattel property subject to unannounced murder on 
> the whim of the male members. They cannot possibly qualify to be given the 
> character of civilized under any circumstance.
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> As to the United Nations, it is and has been a bane on mankind as far as I 
> can see. There have been no permanent solutions created by it that result in 
> any "Ideal Scene." Korea is a manifold observable failure. And the world is 
> filled with the failures of the United Nations and the corrupt population that 
> pat each others back so fervently there. Unifil has been in Lebanon for 28 
> years with zero "Enforcement" mandate by the UN It seems to be that perpetuating 
> the issues creates a justification that expands the Beurocracy, Programs, 
> Domain and Funding requirements of the UN since it was founded in 1948 in San 
> Francisco USA. Where are any "successes" of the UN in 58 years?
> 
> Recently I am repulsed by the mindless dribble about the "real truth" to the 
> point of disbelief that some would actually seek out such distortions and then 
> hold them to their heart so dearly. It is beyond comprehension or belief.
> 
> My 2 cents,
> John
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