Theos-Talk Archives (August 2006 Message tt00313)

Thanks Cass, I loved the Hegel quote, Classic ! 
I try and see it as a lesson in non attachment. 
Very important to remain true to the spirit of individual search, 
free of coercion or pressure to conform.

The big irony of all this is even the JW's didn't `disfellowship' me 
ha this is the supreme irony !  
Best Wishes

Perry


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@...> wrote:
>
> Don't worry about it Perry, they let Leadbeater back in, what you 
need is a letter from the Master stating your innocence!!!!  As far 
as I am concerned Adyar have set themselves up as the Parent Company 
and Joy Mills as the CEO (I have met Ms Mills in Melbourne and 
thought her to be less than spiritually motivated).  As the 
theosophical popacy they decree what is law, who is in and who is 
out.  "There is no religion higher than the truth" really translates 
to, "there is no religion higher than the truth we expound". As there 
is no royal blood line to HPB, the heirarchy determine their own 
blood line.  If the Society was run as HPB had intended there would 
be no leaders, all members would be on equal par, Adyar in my opinion 
has become political run by politicians not theosophists.  One would 
hope for a leader of the ilk of the Dalai Lama, and what does the 
greatest teaching have as it's leading proponents???
> Cheers
> Cass
> ps Was it Hegel that said, after he was banned from the Russian 
Orthodox Church, "finally it has happened"!
> 
> plcoles1 <plcoles1@...> wrote:                                  
Dear Nigel,
>  Thanks very much for your posting, it really underlines many of 
the 
>  issues I feel to be absolutely essential in our pursuit of truth.
>  
>  From what I can access of my own motives in raising and pursing 
these 
>  issues the motivation has been one of trying to look at things 
openly 
>  and honestly regardless of what I may discover to be the case. 
>  
>  To me examining and reviewing history and comparing teachings in 
an 
>  objective and critical manner is essential in order to maintain 
both 
>  credibility and integrity both for the organisation and the 
>  individual, so that different points of view can be examined and 
>  investigated, as you say without fear of favour.
>     
>  Most of the members are `blissfully' unaware of these 
controversies 
>  and issues so the hierarchy bear a heavy karmic responsibility in 
the 
>  choices it makes and enforces.
>  
>  I would be interested to know the rationale behind the National 
>  Sections decision to bar my membership as well.
>  
>  If I could be shown where I allegedly have been `out of order' 
enough 
>  for this action to have been taken would be interesting.
>  
>  Cheers
>  
>  Perry
>  
>  --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nhcareyta" <nhcareyta@> wrote:
>  >
>  > Dear Perry and all
>  > 
>  > As this is a period of "truce" on theostalk perhaps it is an 
ideal 
>  > opportunity to remind ourselves of those famous words which go 
>  > something like "war does not begin on the battlefield, it begins 
in 
>  > the minds of men."
>  > 
>  > Violence has many contributing factors with most appearing to 
have 
>  > roots in fear. Fear of death, loss, lack, truth, being wrong etc.
>  > These expressions of fear tend to contribute towards a 
competitive 
>  > mindset, a mindset based in the modalities of "winning" 
>  or "losing". 
>  > This mode of thinking necessarily leads to "winners" 
and "losers". 
>  > The winners proudly celebrate their "victory" whilst the losers 
>  feel 
>  > frustrated, angry, vengeful. So the dualistic mindset of 
>  competition 
>  > leads on the one hand to pride, arrogance, dominance and 
control, 
>  > whilst on the other, frustration, anger and vengeance, with each 
>  > leading ultimately to violence and war. In this scenario, it 
seems 
>  > that each modality fuels the other.
>  > In the relatively safe confines of theostalk, is there another 
way 
>  > for our mind to proceed which might head off its slide into its 
>  > extreme expression, or is our mindset too heavily ingrained at 
this 
>  > stage of its evolution?
>  > To my way of thinking, cultivating a genuinely open and 
inquiring 
>  > mind might be a place to begin. 
>  > In terms of debate, this can help us guard against the single-
>  minded, 
>  > tunnel vision of dogma, the arrogant sense of superiority of 
>  > being "right", the fear of being "wrong" or worse perhaps, the 
fear 
>  > of "losing". The fear of losing an argument or losing face can 
be 
>  > powerful motivating factors for a mindset to be intransigent and 
>  > remain defensive and protective.
>  > In debate, all of these expressions can be avoided were our 
mindset 
>  > able to fearlessly consider all matters openly, honestly, 
>  objectively 
>  > and truthfully, assessing all information without prejudice, 
fear 
>  or 
>  > favour.
>  > 
>  > Perry, in your situation of being barred from the Adyar Society, 
>  > perhaps some of the individuals who form the hierarchy of that 
>  > organisation might be trapped in this dualistic mindset of, on 
the 
>  > one hand, fear of being "wrong" or of losing face in terms of 
your 
>  > objective critique of past teachers and their writings; or on 
the 
>  > other, perhaps the arrogance of feeling superior and "right" 
causes 
>  > them to feel justified to protect and defend their organisation 
>  > against open-minded debate.
>  > 
>  > In my opinion of the Adyar Society there can be a perception 
>  amongst 
>  > some that harmony (little h) requires passive acceptance of 
almost 
>  > anything other than certain forms of objective critique. Where 
>  > objective critique of such matters as history, teachers and 
>  teachings 
>  > begin to offer alternatives to previously accepted versions, the 
>  oft 
>  > quoted "freedom of thought" statement can sometimes be 
overlooked 
>  in 
>  > the name of "harmony" with the exponents of the alternatives 
being 
>  > harangued, sidelined or perhaps in your case, barred.  This form 
of 
>  > putative "harmony" however can in fact be an act of violence in 
>  > itself as it can violate and deny truth and truthseekers. 
>  > If true Harmony is to be attained from our higher states of 
>  > consciousness, it seems we need to at least embrace the concept 
of 
>  a 
>  > unified Buddhic mindset of truth and wisdom, without prejudice, 
>  fear 
>  > or favour, which is so far apart from its separative, defensive, 
>  > protective and violent shadow.
>  > 
>  > These considerations may be presumptuous and incorrect and there 
>  may 
>  > well be other rationale for the Adyar hierarchy barring you 
Perry. 
>  If 
>  > such is the case, it would be of great interest and value to our 
>  > various mindsets here at theostalk, and occultly to the world 
>  > mindset, to hear and debate their position.
>  > 
>  > Best wishes
>  > Nigel
>  >
>  
>  
>      
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> 
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