Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00550)

Below, more personalistic controversies -- out of one single sentence taken out of its context. 

Mr. Caldwell's specialty is making dissent out of nothing. 

What's the purpose of these untheosophical and unphilosophical gossips?

Perhaps in the future Daniel will dedicate his time to ask questions about the British Royal family. 


Regards,   Carlos. 




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Data:Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:08:29 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Robert Crosbie: Part 2

> In my posting at:
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> I quoted a Theosophy Company 1923 publication that claimed:
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> "During all the troublous period 1893-6 Mr. Crosbie shared TO AN 
> EXTENT UNKNOWN AND UNDREAMT OF by others in the burdens and the
> CONFIDENCE of Mr. Judge." caps added.
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> Now if we accept this CLAIM at face value and as true, what are the 
> implications of the statement?
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> Let us consider the above statement in light of the following.
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> Jasper Niemand ALSO shared in the CONFIDENCE of Mr. Judge. Many 
> Theosophical students will recognize "Jasper Niemand" as the pen 
> name of Julia Campbell Ver Planck (later Mrs. Archibald Keightley), 
> who was a trusted associate of William Q. Judge and a well known 
> writer contributing many articles to THE PATH. Jasper Niemand was 
> the compiler of the two volumes of W.Q. Judge's "Letters That Have 
> Helped Me" which the Theosophy Company thought fit to reprint.
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> Below is what Mrs. Keightley wrote in 1896 about Mrs. Katherine 
> Tingley:
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> ". . . It is well known to members of the Inner Council in America 
> and Europe that the present Outer Head [Mrs. Tingley] has for two 
> years past assisted Mr. Judge in the inner work of the School as his 
> associate and equal. Some of these Councillors were doing important 
> work under her directions, and by the order of Mr. Judge, for some 
> time before he passed away." 
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> "The present Outer Head had the entire confidence of Mr. Judge and 
> has that of the Council. The Council, composed of members in America 
> and Europe, is in entire harmony and unity on this point, and 
> especially those members of it who were in close touch with H.P.B. 
> during her lifetime. I have lately met, in America, with some 
> hundreds of Esotericists, and I have not met a single one who would 
> not agree to what I say here. . . ." 
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> "For myself, I may say that as early as June, 1894, Mr. Judge told 
> me of the standing of the present Outer Head in the school, and 
> spoke of her work at that time and for the future. I am one among 
> several to whom he so spoke himself. Of his appointment of the 
> present Outer Head there is absolutely no doubt; and there is also 
> no doubt of her entire ability to fill that appointment; or of her 
> right to it; or that it came from and was directed by the 
> Master. . . . " [The Search Light (New York), Volume I, May 1898, p. 
> 30.]
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> Now if Mr. Crosbie really did share in the confidence of Mr. Judge, 
> then surely he must have known what Mrs. Keightley also knew.
> 
> And in fact we find after Mr. Judge's death in 1896 that Robert 
> Crosbie was a firm and very loyal supporter of Mrs. Tingley.
> 
> Notice what Mr. Crosbie said of Mrs. Tingley in 1901:
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> "....Madame Blavatsky was the first leader, by force of her wisdom 
> and power of leadership, and all true students of Theosophy accepted 
> her as such. And when she appointed William Q. Judge as her 
> successor, his leadership was accepted for the same reason and so, 
> too, with Katherine Tingley, WHO WAS APPOINTED by William Q. Judge 
> as his successor." 
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> ". . . These [theosophical] results . . . will continue to grow, and 
> remain as lasting monuments to the life-work of THE IMMORTAL THREE --
> -H.P. Blavatsky, William Q. Judge and Katherine Tingley." 
> caps added. "In Honor of W.Q. Judge", 1901, page 46.
> 
> Now as pointed out by Dr. H.N. Stokes many years ago, if Mr. 
> Crosbie was really "the intimate sharer 'in the burdens and the 
> confidence of Mr. Judge' then he must have known the truth about 
> Mrs. Tingley. 
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> And Mr. Crosbie must have known all that Mrs. Keightley also knew 
> and which I have quoted above.
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> If the above statments are true (and I ask readers to think through 
> the issues raised here and not simply have a "knee-jerk" reaction), 
> then why do the Theosophy editors in their 1925 history of the 
> Theosophical Movement (and also in the revised 2nd edition) portray 
> Mrs. Tingley in such a different and negative light? 
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> Why do these editors, for example, ignore the testimony of Mrs. 
> Keightley when writing about Mrs. Tingley? 
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> Why do they in fact ignore the claim (and the implications of that 
> claim) which reads:
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> "During all the troublous period 1893-6 Mr. Crosbie shared TO AN 
> EXTENT UNKNOWN AND UNDREAMT OF by others in the burdens and the
> CONFIDENCE of Mr. Judge." caps added.
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> Food for thought.
> 
> Daniel
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