Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00522)

Friends,

If one does not play with words and does not use Sophistry tactics, it is clear that contacts between the theosophical movement and the Masters in the period 1875-1891 cannot be described (as Daniel did) by  saying that "HPB claimed to have contact with Masters".   

If anyone who studied History writes that, this person is saying a LIE in disguised form.  This is because the evidence of contacts with Masters was  independent from HPB and included DOZENS of persons, in a public way. 

Among them Damodar, A. P. Sinnett, H. Olcott, Mohini, the Gordons, Subba Row, F. Hartmann, Mohini, Ms. Holloway, Countess of Wachtmeister, Isabel Cooper, Laura Cooper and many others. 

Researchers have respect for facts.  

Best regards,  Carlos. 





> Bill Meredith wrote: Daniel, unless you assert with absolute certain knowledge the fact that 
> "HPB was in contact with the Masters," Carlos will judge your statement 
> as a LIE.
> 
> Do you see the difference, Daniel? 
> 
> The Road Not Taken
> 
> Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
> And sorry I could not travel both
> And be one traveler, long I stood
> And looked down one as far a I could
> To where it bent in the undergrowth;
> 
> Then took the other, as just as fair,
> And having perhaps the better claim,
> Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
> Though as for that the passing there
> Had worn them really about the same,
> 
> And both that morning equally lay
> In leaves no step had trodden black.
> Oh, I kept the first for another day!
> Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
> I doubted if I should ever come back.
> 
> I shall be telling this with a sigh
> Somewhere ages and ages hence:
> Two roads diverged in a wood, and I--
> I took the one less traveled by,
> And that has made all the difference.
> 
> --Robert Frost, 1916
> 
> --bill 
> 
> danielhcaldwell wrote:
> >
> > Carlos wrote:
> >
> > ======================================================
> > HPB did not claim, she did not assert. She made phenomena
> > and dozens of persons who saw them gave their public
> > testimonies. Apart from phenomena, dozens of theosophists had
> > their own evidences that they were chelas and lay chelas of
> > various Mahatmas.
> >
> > So say of that period (1875-1891) that "HPB claimed SHE was in
> > contact with the Masters" is a LIE from anyone who studies the
> > History of the Movement.
> >
> > It is not a question of "believing". It is a question of
> > recognizing the fact the there are hundreds of evidences about
> > Masters in those years.
> > ========================================================
> >
> > Let's just take one of Carlos' "assertions":
> >
> > It is not a question of "believing".
> >
> > Let's look at the word "believing" or "belief"
> >
> > In the dictionary here are the definitions of "belief":
> >
> > ===========================================================
> > 1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or
> > confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever.
> >
> > 2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or
> > validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies
> > belief.
> >
> > 3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular
> > tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons.
> > ==============================================================
> >
> > American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
> >
> > Take definition two:
> >
> > "Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or
> > validity of something."
> >
> > When I write that "I believe" ....
> >
> > I am in effect giving this definition....
> >
> > Or take the statement Carlos wants to argue about:
> >
> > "HPB claimed SHE was in contact with the Masters"
> >
> > One could also write:
> >
> > HPB stated she was in contact with the Masters.
> >
> > or
> >
> > HPB asserted she was in contact with the Masters.
> >
> > However one wants to phrase it, I believe there is more
> > than ample evidence that her claim, her statement, her assertion
> > was true.
> >
> > But I'm sure Carlos will probably want to quibble more.
> >
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> >
> > 
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