Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00507)

Friends,


Astronomers do not simply "claim" that the Earth turns around the Sun.

There are plenty of evidences about that, as there are plenty of evidences from dozens of persons about the existence of Masters and Disciples, in the period 1875-1891.  

Saying that "HPB claimed Masters existed"  is a LIE,  if it comes from anyone who studied the History of the Movement.  It was not a "claim" of hers. 

Regards,   Carlos. 



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Data:Tue, 25 Jul 2006 18:35:06 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Quibbling over the meaning of words??

> Carlos wrote:
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> HPB did not claim, she did not assert. She made phenomena 
> and dozens of persons who saw them gave their public 
> testimonies. Apart from phenomena, dozens of theosophists had 
> their own evidences that they were chelas and lay chelas of
> various Mahatmas.
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> So say of that period (1875-1891) that "HPB claimed SHE was in 
> contact with the Masters" is a LIE from anyone who studies the 
> History of the Movement.
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> It is not a question of "believing". It is a question of 
> recognizing the fact the there are hundreds of evidences about 
> Masters in those years.
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> Let's just take one of Carlos' "assertions":
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> It is not a question of "believing". 
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> Let's look at the word "believing" or "belief"
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> In the dictionary here are the definitions of "belief":
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> 1. The mental act, condition, or habit of placing trust or 
> confidence in another: My belief in you is as strong as ever. 
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> 2. Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or 
> validity of something: His explanation of what happened defies 
> belief. 
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> 3. Something believed or accepted as true, especially a particular 
> tenet or a body of tenets accepted by a group of persons. 
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> American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition.
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> Take definition two:
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> "Mental acceptance of and conviction in the truth, actuality, or 
> validity of something."
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> When I write that "I believe" .... 
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> I am in effect giving this definition....
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> Or take the statement Carlos wants to argue about:
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> "HPB claimed SHE was in contact with the Masters"
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> One could also write:
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> HPB stated she was in contact with the Masters.
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> HPB asserted she was in contact with the Masters.
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> However one wants to phrase it, I believe there is more
> than ample evidence that her claim, her statement, her assertion
> was true.
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> But I'm sure Carlos will probably want to quibble more.
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> Daniel
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