Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00482)

Dear Mark and friends, 

Thanks a lot for your posting on "modern ideas".  

To those who are against "Victorian"  views of life, I would only add that Raja Yoga and Jnana Yoga were not created by the British Empire. As we all know. 
So why label HPB or her teachings as "Victorian"?  HPB taught Jnana and Raja Yogas.  And some Karma Yoga,  too.   That has nothing to do with the often false morality of 19th century in Europe and the UK.   

As to liberty of thought, I agree we must not have censorship. In my view both these "modern" ideas and Mark Jacqua's remarks about them can be accepted by everybody with tranquillity of mind. 

By the way, speaking of Raja Yoga, I recommend W. Q. Judge's excellent version of the "Yoga Sutras of Patanjali"  (which I have translated into Portuguese as part of my personal studies and which we may publish in the future in Brazil).  

The Yoga Sutras can be bought from Theosophy Company ( Los Angeles) and most likely from the Theosophical University Press (Pasadena TS), too. 

Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline.  

 
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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Tantra & Theosophy Virtual Lodge

> Tantra and Theosophy Virtual Lodge
> 
> I think HPB would up-chuck if she 
> saw the probable orientation of This 
> week's Theosophical Virtual Lodge 
> presentation by Robert Corrington. 
> 
> between psychosexuality and the
> etheric and astral bodies.>
> Corrington, it says, also has a book 
> coming out on Wilhelm Reich. Reichians 
> believed that the only genuine human 
> fulfilment and psychological cure comes 
> through the sex orgasm, a perfect one 
> resulting in unconsciousness. 
> This is the polar opposite of 
> Blavatsky Theosophy. Below is pasted 
> an article by Legros on the issue with
> quotes from Blavatsky and GdeP. I put
> it here as it isn't a likely publication
> for any current theosophical publication.
> 
> THE SECRET DOCTRINE 
> ON THE PROBLEM OF SEX
> 
> The writer sincerely hopes that nothing 
> in the following pages will strike the 
> reader as "goody goody" moralizing, nor 
> that he, the writer, will appear as a 
> simpering "holier-than-thou" harlequin. The 
> Theosophical Movement has enough comic 
> figures."
> But the fact is that we are living in the 
> most sexually permissive age since the fall 
> of Rome, and only Theosophists or those 
> familiar with the Eastern occult teachings 
> know that sex is a cosmic force greater than 
> nuclear bombs, representing in every human 
> destiny an ultimate challenge involving 
> immortality or annihilation.
> Although regular chelaship and the chastity 
> it demands are several lifetimes away for most 
> Messiah readers, the present is as good a time 
> as any to consider what H.P. Blavatsky (the 
> Masters' Messenger in the last century and 
> this) has to say on the matter.
> We have no other court of appeal. One can 
> expect little help from medical men, 
> psychiatrists, psychologists, marriage 
> counselors, priests, preachers, and educators 
> because, with, of course, a number of happy 
> exceptions, all are infected with the virus 
> of the "New Morality" which would have us 
> abandon all sexual restraints and "liberate" 
> ourselves from the "unhealthy repressions" 
> of our puritan ancestors.
> A refreshing exception among medical men is 
> Dr. Val Davajan, chief of the reproductive 
> biology section of the Medical Center at the 
> University of Southern California. Says the 
> doctor: "No matter what the sexologists say, 
> the New Morality is immoral. And I don't care 
> what the Gay Liberation people say, homosexuality 
> is a perversion, and homsexuals are not normal."
> One of the latest results of the "New Morality" 
> was revealed by a Gallup survey of student 
> attitudes commissioned by Oklahoma Christian 
> College. It was found that as students move 
> along from year to year they tend increasingly 
> to approve smoking, drinking, legalized 
> marijuana, abortion, and pre-martial sex. 
> Among freshmen, 30 percent identified their 
> political philosophy as left-of-center or 
> far left. By the senior year the number had 
> grown to 53 per cent.
> The foregoing is an exoteric picture. the 
> esoteric is something else, and we can do 
> no better than begin with some highly illuminating 
> material by Dr. G. de Purucker, himself an 
> initiated chela and the last Leader of the 
> original Theosophical Society.
> 
> SEX A PASSING PHASE
> In his Fundamentals of the Esoteric Philosophy, 
> pp. 342-6, he states: "...sex is but a passing 
> phase in racial evolution, and, strictly 
> speaking, is not normal to mankind on Globe D 
> of our planetary chain. This method of 
> procreation actually was copied from the 
> beasts, which 'separated' before 'man'... 
> As a matter of fact, the Atlantean and 
> Atlanto-Lemurian karma has weighed so heavily 
> upon us, the fifth race, that we are actually 
> belated, and have not at the present date, 
> the middle-point of the fifth race, reached 
> that stage as regards the evolving of the 
> physical body which otherwise we should have 
> reached.
> "As it stands, however, the teaching tells 
> us that at the end of our own fifth race, 
> men and women will be disappearing as opposite 
> sexes; and that by the middle of the Sixth 
> Root Race (the race to come) men and women 
> as separate sexes shall be no longer. The 
> race will consist of beings who are 
> physiologically neither men nor women; ...
> "The humans of that period (the Sixth Root-Race) 
> will produce children by meditation and by 
> will; during the Seventh Root-Race, the last 
> to come on this Globe, during this Fourth 
> Round - a race which to us now would seem 
> glorious - the humans of that race will 
> produce their kind in the same general 
> manner; but by consciously exercised will 
> and meditation, but still more impersonally... 
> than the Sixth Race will do.
> "The main point then, here, is to realize 
> that this present physiological state of 
> sex is a passing racial evolutionary phase; 
> and that every abuse, every misuse, no 
> matter of what kind or what the world may 
> think about it, is a reaction contrary to 
> the evolutionary 'law'... and that while 
> it is true that the present method is the 
> one which nature has evolved at the present 
> time, as said before it is not really the 
> method which primordial humanity might 
> have followed... Nature has followed that 
> line, as it were, under protest, through 
> the evil doing involved in our past karma, 
> as the only way by which souls can find 
> incarnation at present..."
> 
> THE GREATEST CURSE
> We find confirmation of Dr. de Purucker's 
> views in The Secret Doctrine, II, p. 216: 
> "From the possession of the double principle 
> in one, that is the Androgyne condition, the 
> separation of the dual principle was made, 
> presenting two opposites whose destiny it was, 
> for ever after, to seek reunion into the 
> original one condition.
> "'The curse was this, viz: that nature, 
> impelling the search, evaded the desired 
> result by the production of a new being, 
> distinct from that reunion or oneness desired, 
> by which the natural longing to recover a 
> lost state was and is for ever being cheated. 
> It is by this tantalizing process of a 
> continued curse that Nature lives."
> In a footnote on the same page H.P. Blavatsky 
> adds: "By which (human) nature lives,' not 
> even the animal - but the misguided, sensual 
> and vicious nature, which man, not nature, 
> created."
> This is abstruse metaphysics, but establishes 
> that sexual reproduction for humanity was not 
> in Nature's original plan. On page 262, II, 
> The Secret Doctrine, we read: "As has been 
> shown in the present volume (Anthropogenesis), 
> it is the speechless animal that first started 
> sexual connection, having been the first to 
> separte into males and females. Nor was it 
> intended by Nature that man should follow 
> the bestial example - as shown by the 
> comparatively painless procreation of their 
> species by the animals, and the terrible 
> suffering and danger of the same in the women."
> Ambition is the first curse, says Light on 
> the Path, but sex is the greatest, says The 
> Secret Doctrine, II, p. 412: "...the fire 
> received has turned into the greatest curse: 
> the animal element, and consciousness of its 
> possession, has changed periodical instinct 
> into chronic animalism and sensuality. It is 
> that which hangs over humanity like a heavy 
> funereal pall." It has degraded man into a 
> "helpless, scrofolous being, who has become 
> the richest heir on the globe to constitutional 
> and hereditary diseases, the most consciously 
> and intelligently bestial of all animals."
> The deliberate profanation of sex in Atlantis 
> led to the worship of the physical body (the 
> Easter Island statues attest to this), and 
> finally to the sex principle in itself. 
> Phallic sorcery followed, with half of the 
> Fourth Root-Race falling into Black Magic 
> practices which survive today in African Voodoo, 
> Tibetan Dugpa Lamaism, Hindu Tantrika, and various 
> corrupt "New Thought" branches of Western metaphysics.
> "The question is often asked" - The Secret Doctrine, 
> II, 295-6 - "Why shoulci celibacy and chastity be a 
> sine qua non rule and condition of regular chelaship, 
> or the development of psychic and occult powers? 
> The answer is contained in the Commentary... 
> During human life the greateast impediment in 
> the way of spiritual development, and especially 
> to the acquirement of Yoga powers, is the 
> activity of our physiological senses. Sexual 
> action being closely connected, by interaction, 
> with the spinal cord and the grey matter of 
> the brain, it is useless to give any longer 
> explanation."
> IMPORTANT NOTE. At this point the writer wishes 
> to emphatically state that the purpose of 
> these pages is NOT to rail against marriage 
> and human love nor suggest that anyone take 
> the yellow robe of asceticism. Its purpose 
> is solely educational and informative. It 
> is believed that by knowing the esoteric 
> truth about sex and mankind's Tomorrow, 
> one would be better able to deal with the 
> challenging human relation problems in our 
> immediate experience. 
> "THE "FALL OF THE ANGELS"
> The history of mankind in its present 
> form as separate sexes goes back about 
> eighteen million years to the middle of 
> the Third Root-Race in Lemuria, when 
> the Mind element began to function.
> Until then man was "an empty, senseless 
> Bhuta" (form or shadow), the product of 
> two streams of evolution: the Monadic 
> or Spiritual, and the Physical or material. 
> With the entry of Manas (Mind) a third 
> stream of evolution was added, conferring 
> self-consciousness and a sense of moral 
> responsibility.
> The early sub-races of the Third Root-Race 
> (The Secret Doctrine, II, p. 275) evolved 
> by sexless creative instinct an 
> "intermediate race" in which the higher 
> Dhyan Chohans incarnated at the time of 
> the separation of the sexes. These were 
> the Sons of Will and Yoga, representing 
> the full incarnation of the Mind principle.
> A second class of Ego did not incarnte 
> fully at once, but chose to wait, projecting 
> only "a spark." It is these (The Secret 
> Doctrine, II, 167) who "constitute the 
> average humanity which has to acquire 
> its intellectuality during the present 
> Manvantaric evolution."
> The "Sin of the Mindless" resulted when 
> certain males of the "separated" humanity 
> (before Manas was awakened and also before 
> sterility was established between the human 
> and animal kingdoms) had sexual congress 
> with female beasts. Thus unconsciously the 
> first misuse of the sex force took place. 
> (The Secret Doctrine, II, 185). "The sin 
> of the brainless or 'mindless' Races, who 
> had no 'spark' and were irresponsible, fell 
> upon those who failed to do by them their 
> Karmic duty." Thereupon, seeing this shameful 
> Karmic result, the Sons of Wisdom endowed 
> all men with Manas "lest worse should happen."
> A third class of Egos deferred incarnation 
> till the Fourth or Atlantean Root-Race, in 
> which the worst sexual Karma was incurred 
> because the Atlanteans renewed the Sin of 
> the Mindless with knowledge and moral 
> responsibility. It is stated (The Secret 
> Doctrine, II, 302) that in this case it 
> was "the Spiritual being which sinned, the 
> Spirit element being still the 'Master' 
> principle in man, in those days. Thus it 
> is in those days that the heaviest Karma 
> of the Fifth Race was generated by our Monads."
> The most significant statement of all in 
> this connection is found on page 228, The 
> Secret Doctrine, II: "As to those 'Sons of 
> Wisdom' who had 'deferred' their incarnation 
> till the Fourth Race, which was already 
> tainted (physiologically) with sin and 
> impurity, they produced a terrible cause, 
> the Karmic result of which weighs on them 
> to this day. It was produced in themselves, 
> and they became the carriers of that seed 
> of iniquity for aeons to come, because the 
> bodies they had to inform had become defiled 
> through their own procrastination.
> "This was the 'Fall of the Angels,' because 
> of their rebellion against Karmic Law. The 
> 'fall of man' was no fall, for he was irresponsible."
> 
> CHELASHIP
> "Behold the truth before you! A clean life, 
> an open mind, a pure heart, an eager intellect, 
> an unveiled spiritual perception, a brotherliness 
> for one's co-disciple, a readiness to give and 
> receive advice and instruction, a loyal sense 
> of duty to the Teacher, a willing obedience to 
> the behests of TRUTH, once we have placed our 
> confidence in, and believe the Teacher to be in 
> possession of it; a courageous endurance of 
> personal injustice, a brave declaration of 
> principles, a valiant defense of those who are 
> unjustly attacked, and a constant eye to the 
> ideal of human progression and perfection which 
> the secret science (Gupta Vidya) depicts - these 
> are the golden stairs up the steps of which 
> the learner may climb to the Temple of Divine 
> Wisdom. Say this to those who have volunteered 
> to be taught by you." 
> - Blavatky's Teacher
> Theosophy teaches that we are Spiritual Pilgrims 
> imprisoned by Kosmic and Karmic necessity in 
> bodies of flesh informed by animal instincts 
> and desires. The Spiritual Beings we essentially 
> are aspire toward the god worlds from which we 
> came, while at the same time the "Call of the 
> Wild" would lure us back to the steaming jungles 
> of animalhood.
> It is the old story of the god and beast, one 
> of which must ultimately absorb our being. which 
> brings us to the subject of chelaship. A chela 
> is a man or woman who anticipates the crisis by 
> prematurely bringing it upon himself. It means 
> a terrible battle in the heart and mind between 
> the two forces or polarities. Very few are ready 
> for chelaship, but when one is, nothing on 
> earth can stop him.
> 
> In The Theosophist of July 1883 H.P. Blavatsky 
> wrote: "One who undertakes to try for Chelaship 
> by that very act rouses and lashes to 
> desperation every sleeping passion of 
> his animal nature. For this is the 
> commencement of a struggle for the mastery 
> in which quarter is never to be given nor 
> taken... in this moral battle, if the 
> Chela has one single hidden blemish - do 
> what he may, it shall and will be brought 
> to light... He is now in an atmosphere of 
> illusions - maya. Vice puts on its most 
> alluring face, and the tempting passions 
> try to lure the inexperienced aspirant to 
> the depths of psychic debasement.
> 
> "If the candidate has the latent lust for 
> money, or political chicanery, or 
> materialistic scepticism, or vain display, 
> or false speaking, or cruelty, or sensual 
> gratification of any kind, the germ is 
> almost sure to sprout; and so, on the other 
> hand, as regards the noble qualities of 
> human nature. The real man comes out. Is 
> it not the height of folly, then, for 
> anyone to leave the smooth path of 
> commonplace life to scale the crags of 
> Chelaship without some reasonable feeling 
> of certainty that he has the right stuff 
> in him? Well says the Bible: 'Let him that 
> thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.' 
> - a test that would-be Chelas should 
> consider well before they rush headlong 
> into the fray!"
> 
> THE ANSWER OF SOCRATES
> It's a fantastic situation. Apparently when 
> we were awakened to Manasic self-consciousness 
> and were able to recognize our essential 
> Divinity, it was in Nature's plan for us 
> to carry on in an androgynous state. With 
> Mind - a godlike faculty - active within 
> us we deserved to live free from animality 
> and beasthood.
> But something went wrong, and Nature's plan 
> had to be revised. So here we are - gods 
> trapped in the bodies of animals which 
> too often we mistake for ourselves, with 
> heartbreaking consequences.
> When Dr. G. de Purucker was asked: "Do 
> Theosophists approve of marriage?" he said, 
> among other things (Questions We All Ask, 
> p. 137): "Theosophists most certainly 
> approve of marriage, decidedly so. The 
> only trouble is that so many marriages 
> are 'merely farces.' Marriage itself is 
> beautiful. The principle is holy; and if 
> true marriage takes place, life is sanctified 
> for those two human hearts."
> "When H.P. Blavatsky was asked if a man 
> must marry or remain a celibate (The Key 
> to Theosophy, p. 262), she replied: 
> "It depends on the kind of man you mean. 
> If you refer to one who intends to live 
> in the world, one who, even though a good, 
> earnest Theosophist, and an ardent worker 
> for our cause, still has ties and wishes 
> which bind him to the world, who, in short, 
> does not feel that he has done for ever 
> with what men call life, and that he desires 
> one thing and one thing only - to know the 
> truth, and to be able to help others -then 
> for such a one I say there is no reason why 
> he should not marry, if he likes to take 
> the risks of that lottery where there are 
> so many more blanks than prizes. Surely 
> you cannot believe us so absurd and fanatical 
> as to preach against marriage altogether? On 
> the contray, save in a few exceptional cases 
> of practical Occultism, marriage is the only 
> remedy against immorality."
> There is the story about a young man who went 
> to Socrates with the question of whether or 
> not he should marry. "It doesn't matter much 
> one way or another," said Socrates. "Whatever 
> you do, you'll regret it."
> - G.C. Legros
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