Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00453)

Dear Dallas,


This, below,  is another superb contribution of yours. 

Your presence here has been and is constantly inspiring.

Having been here for a long time, your testimony about Daniel Caldwell is most significant. You let us know: 

"On behalf of tolerance and brotherhood, let me say: To me his (Daniel's) careful, continuous inexactitudes reveal a certain narrowness of vision and purpose."


Best regards,   Carlos. 



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Data:Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:13:17 -0700

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World RE: U L T and THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT

> 7/21/2006 5:13 AM
> 
> Dear Carlos:
> 
> No arguments -- Like a scratched or broken record, Daniel repeats ad
> infinitum and it is distracting. Also diverting and certainly time-wasting.
> 
> 
> For whom is this designed? Is it scholarship, librarianship, or --- I'll let
> someone else characterize it. 
> 
> If Eldon desires Theos-Talk to do this kind of thing, he is welcome, but for
> me it is a time-waster. It is plain that Dan. is moved by some strange
> animus. He alone knows what aspect of his nature is empowering this. Has
> he any explanation?
> 
> 
> Having said all that is necessary I refuse to answer further.
> 
> 
> The good side to this is that it advertises the policy and the original
> purpose of the UNITED LODGE OF THEOSOPHISTS -- and also, the fact that
> copies of the ORIGINAL TEXTS exist because of its persistent quiet efforts
> -- conducted as observed under no objective, visible "organization." This
> experiment in determined harmony and mutual assistance has some vitality to
> it: to have lasted almost 100 years through all kinds of "seasons."
> 
> THEOSOPHY CAN BE MADE PRACTICAL.
> 
> Students are given the opportunity to find them (original texts or
> trustworthy copies thereof) and DO THEIR OWN UNSUPERVISED STUDY. 
> 
> And it is good that this freedom is here, 
> 
> Perhaps the future will create fantasies that will rise and endeavour to
> erase the traces of the WISDOM RELIGION and the SECRET DOCTRINE -- but as usual, this survives somewhere out of reach. Let's say: "Sayonara." See you-all next incarnation! Then we may have a chance to work harder and
> produce even more valuable results. We are the "bridges" for this cycle.
> On behalf of tolerance and brotherhood, let me say: To me his careful,
> continuous inexactitudes reveal a certain narrowness of vision and purpose.
> Maybe he needs to devise an "occult mirror" of some kind, psychic or
> spiritual as he wills, to secure assistance, and perhaps he would care to
> write and inquire about other's reactions to the nature of the influences
> that these glimpses of occultism and virtue vs. ****? show so plainly to
> those who ask the "5 Questions:" Why? -- how? -- when? -- what? -- and --
> Who ?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
> PS 
> 
> 
> Yes the U L T DECLARATION is a real treasure and deserves to be referred
> to at least once a week. Its applications are benevolent and universal.
> 
> See this:
> 
> [ The following preliminary memorandum was drawn up by Robert Crosbie
> anticipatory to the formation of The United Lodge of Theosophists." It was
> sent to many individual theosophists on November 17, 1908.] FRIENDLY
> PHILOSOPHER 409 - 414
> 
> 
> TO ALL OPEN-MINDED THEOSOPHISTS 
> 
> 
> When the Messengers departed from this scene, all that was left here was the
> Message (exoteric and esoteric), and its students of more or less
> proficiency in the assimilation of that Message.
> 
> With the altruistic example of the Messengers and the inspiration of the
> Message, the Theosophical Society should have been able to stand alone and
> united.
> 
> Unfortunately, history tells another story; disintegration began at once,
> and still goes on, and a grand opportunity to impress the world with the
> spirit and life of the Message has been lost, through neglect of the
> essentials and pursuit of non-essentials.
> 
> The First Object-the most important of all-the others being subsidiary-has
> been lost sight of in its direct bearing upon all the changes and
> differences that have occurred. "To form a nucleus of Universal Brotherhood
> without any distinctions what ever" was, and is, the key to the situation.
> Let me quote a few sentences from H. P. B.'s last message to the American
> Theosophists in April, 1891:
> 
> "The critical nature of the stage on which we have entered is as well known
> to the forces that fight against us, as to those that fight on our side. No
> opportunity will be lost of sowing dissension, of taking advantage of
> mistaken and false moves, of instilling doubt, of augmenting difficulties,
> of breathing suspicions, so that by any and every means the unity of the
> Society may be broken and the ranks of our Fellows thinned and thrown into
> disarray. Never has it been more necessary for the members of the T. S. to
> lay to heart the old parable of the of sticks than it is at the present
> time; divided, they will inevitably be broken, one by one; united, there is
> no force on earth able to destroy our Brotherhood. * * * After all, every
> wish and thought I can utter are summed up in this one sentence, the
> never-dormant wish of my heart: "BE THEOSOPHISTS, WORK FOR THEOSOPHY."
> 
> These were prophetic words-but the warning was not taken.
> 
> It now remains for those who are able to take the words that express the
> never-dormant wish of her heart as the key-note of the present and future:
> "Be Theosophists, work for Theosophy," and get together on that kind of a
> basis; for these are the essentials.
> 
> The unassailable basis for union among Theosophists, wherever and however
> situated, is SIMILARITY OF AIM, PURPOSE, AND TEACHING. The acceptance of
> this principle by all Theosophists would at once remove all barriers. A
> beginning must be made by those whose minds have become plastic by the
> buffetings of experience. An agreement between such is necessary; an
> assembling together in this spirit.
> 
> To give this spirit expression requires a declaration, and a name by which
> those making the declaration may be known.
> 
> To call it The Theosophical Society would be to take the name now in use by
> at least two opposing organizations. To even call it a Society has the color
> of an "organization"-one of many, and would act as a barrier. The phrase
> used by one of the Messengers is significant, and avoids all conflict with
> organizations, being capable of including all without detriment to any. That
> phrase is: 
> 
> THE UNITED LODGE OF THEOSOPHISTS
> 
> 
> Members of any organization or unattached, old and new students, could
> belong to it without disturbing their affiliations, for the sole condition
> necessary would be the acceptance of the principle of similarity of aim,
> purpose, and teaching. The binding spiritual force of this principle of
> brotherhood needs no such adventitious aids as Constitution or By-Laws-or
> Officers to ad- minister them. With it as basis for union, no possible cause
> for differences could arise; no room is found here for leader or authority,
> for dogma or superstition, and yet-as there are stores of knowledge left for
> all-the right spirit must bring forth from "Those who never fail" all
> necessary assistance. The door seems open for those who would, but cannot
> see a way. Any considerable number, living, thinking, acting, upon this
> basis, must form a spiritual focus, from which all things are possible.
> 
> Local Lodges could be formed using the name and promulgating the basis of
> union, recognizing Theosophists as such, regardless of organization; open
> meetings; public work, keeping Theosophy and Brotherhood prominent;
> intercommunication between Lodges, free and frequent; comparing methods of
> work of local Lodges; mutual assistance; furtherance of the Great Movement
> in all directions possible; the motto: "Be Theosophists; work for
> Theosophy."
> 
> 
> THE WAY TO UNITE IS TO UNITE-NOTHING PREVENTS 
> IF THAT IS THE DESIRE.
> 
> 
> [ The following explanatory statement drawn up by Robert Crosbie for the
> information of all theosophists, was made public concurrently with the
> foundation of "The United Lodge of Theosophists" and the adoption of its
> DECLARATION by himself and the seven original Associates, on February 18,
> 1909.]
> 
> The United Lodge of Theosophists is an integral part of the Theosophical
> Movement begun in New York in 1875. It is-as the name implies-an Association
> of Theosophists irrespective of organization, who are bound together by the
> tie of common aim, purpose and teaching, in the cause of Theosophy.
> 
> Theosophy, being the origin, basis and genius of every Theosophical
> organization, forms in itself a common ground of interest and effort, above
> and beyond all differences of opinion as to persons or methods; and being
> the philosophy of Unity, it calls for the essential union of those who
> profess and promulgate it.
> 
> This Union does not mean a sameness of organization or method, but a
> friendly recognition, mutual assistance and encouragement among all engaged
> in the furtherance of Theosophy.
> 
> The Teacher, H. P. Blavatsky, declared that "Want of Union is the first
> condition of failure," and in her last message to the American Convention in
> 1891, said: "Never has it been more necessary for the members of the
> Theosophical Society to lay to heart the parable of the bundle of sticks,
> than it is at the present time; divided, they will inevitably be broken, one
> by one; united, there is no force on earth able to destroy our Brotherhood.
> .
> 
> I have marked with pain . . . a tendency among you to allow your very
> devotion to the cause of Theosophy to lead you into disunion. . . . No
> opportunity will be lost of sowing dissension, of taking advantage of
> mistaken and false moves, of instilling doubt, of augmenting difficulties,
> of breathing suspicions, so that by any and every means the unity of the
> Society may be broken and the ranks of our Fellows thinned and thrown into
> disarray."
> 
> There are a number of Theosophical organizations in existence today, all of
> them drawing their inspiration from Theosophy, existing only because of
> Theosophy, yet remaining disunited. The nature of each organization is such,
> that unity cannot be had on the basis of any one of them; hence a common
> basis should be taken if the success originally purposed is to be attained.
> 
> The need of such a basis with a broader view of the Movement, is the cause
> for the present Association-the United Lodge of Theosophists-composed of
> Theosophists of different organizations, as well as those belonging to none.
> This Lodge, having no constitution, by-laws, officers or leader, affords in
> its Declaration a common basis of Unity for all who see the great need of
> it, and seeks their co-operation.
> 
> Holding to its motto: 'There is no Religion higher than Truth," it seeks for
> the truth in all things, and beginning with the history of the Theosophical
> Movement, sets forth herein some facts with their inevitable deductions, for
> general information and consideration.
> 
> There is no question anywhere as to who brought the message of Theosophy to
> the Western World, nor is there any reason to believe that the Messenger, H.
> P. Blavatsky, failed to deliver all that was to be given out until the year
> 1975-- the time stated by her for the advent of the next Messenger.
> 
> While she lived there was one Society. After her departure, dissensions
> arose, resulting in several separate organizations. The basic cause of these
> divisions is to be found in differences of opinion as to "successorship,"
> even where other causes were in evidence. No such question should ever have
> arisen, for it is abundantly clear that H. P. Blavatsky could no more pass
> on to another her knowledge and attainments, than could Shakespeare, Milton
> or Beethoven pass on theirs.
> 
> Those who were attracted by the philosophy she presented, or who were taught
> by her, were followers or students, of more or less proficiency in the
> understanding and assimilation of Theosophy.
> 
> Once the idea of "successorship" is removed from consideration, a better
> perspective is obtainable of the Movement, the philosophy, and the principal
> persons-past and present-engaged in its promulgation.
> 
> We have the declarations of her Masters that she was the sole instrument
> possible for the work to be done, that They sent her to do it, and that They
> approved in general all that she did. That work not only includes the
> philosophy she gave, but her work with the relation to others in the
> Movement; and where a relation is particularly defined-as in the case of
> William Q. Judge-wisdom dictates that full consideration be given to what
> she says.
> 
> H. P. Blavatsky and William Q. Judge were co-Founders of the Theosophical
> Society in 1875 They were colleagues from the first and ever remained such.
> When H. P. Blavatsky left America-never to return-she left behind her
> William Q. Judge to establish and carry on the work of the Theosophical
> Movement in America. How well that work was done is a matter of history.
> 
> H. P. Blavatsky departed from the body in 1891; William Q. Judge some five
> years later. He never claimed to be her successor; on the contrary, when
> asked the question, he said: She is sui generis-she can have no successor;"
> the fact being that both he and she were contemporaneous in the work, he
> retaining his body for some five years longer in order to complete the work
> he had to do.
> 
> The work of these two cannot be separated if the Movement is to be
> understood. The evidence of the greatness and fitness of William Q. Judge,
> as a Teacher, is to be found in his writings-a large and valuable part of
> which has become obscured through the organizational dissensions before
> spoken of. These writings should be sought for, and studied, in connection
> with those of H. P. Blavatsky. That study will lead to the conviction that
> both were great Teachers-each with a particular mission-that each was sui
> generis, that their work was complementary, and that neither of them had,
> nor could have, any successor."
> R C end of the FRIENDLY PHILOSOPHER, pp 409 - 414
> 
> 
> 
> ==================================
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carlosaveline
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:41 PM
> To: 
> Subject: THE THEOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT
> 
> 
> Dear Dallas, 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> The ULT Declaration, first issue in 1909, is, to me, a revolutionary
> document, opening a new path in pedagogical terms, although it is absolutely
> following the Mahatmas' principle of autonomy of each Learner. 
> 
> The fact that the ULT is not a corporation or centralized bureaucracy, but a
> web of independent students with no money/power concerns, is something which
> takes time for anyone to understand. Such a difficulty is strenghthened by
> the fact that the ULT does not seek publicity and is "widely unknown"
> precisely because of this. 
> 
> Of course, the Pasadena TS and the Edmonton TS are also of great importance
> to the movement, as many initiatives taken by members of the Adyar TS and
> independent efforts like the one led by Richard Robb (Wizards Bookshelf). 
> 
> The strength of the movement is in its diversity. 
> 
> Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
> 
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