Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00352)

Daniel,

The "puppets" metaphor is not mine,  so I leave it for you and Tillett to discuss. 

As to Tillett's testimony about Algeo, you know it is most significant. 

Algeo had no editorial Ethics with regard to Cooper's family, as had no Ethics with regard to TPH's readers, presenting them with 20 per cent of almost unidentified forgeries in his volume. 


Best regards,   Carlos. 



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Data:Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:10:46 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Again Carlos mixes up issues: "Daniel, Tillett & Puppets"

> Carlos,
> 
> Again it appears that you are mixing up different 
> issues. You seem to do that alot. I wonder why. :)
> 
> I was quoting Tilett's opinion on the INCLUSION
> policy.
> 
> As far as his other remark concerning "puppets", 
> he never replied to my comments which I reproduce
> BELOW:
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> ====================================================
> (5) And who are the "puppets" that you [Tillett] are referring to?
> Is this a somewhat "negative" term used to describe the
> persons on the Letters commmittee? And since I was on that
> committee does that mean I was a "puppet"? And when I was
> working with and assisting John Cooper on the letters, was I
> his "puppet"? And why call Dara Eklund Algeo's "puppet"? She
> was the editor of several volumes of the CW series and worked
> with Boris de Zirkoff. Was Dara Boris' puppet, too? Why use
> this term to describe the said individuals? Is this a term you
> would use for example in an article in THEOSOPHICAL HISTORY?
> ======================================================
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Daniel,
> > 
> > Since you want to quote Tillett, please remember he wrote 
> your "Algeo Committee" is a group of puppets who misused Cooper's 
> work. This is not my opinion -- it is his. 
> > 
> > You wrote to Tillett in April 2006 about that. See below and 
> remember it before trying to using Tillett to justify Algeo and 
> yourself. 
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:32:16 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Some more Questions for Gregory Tillett
> > 
> > > Gregory, you wrote:
> > > 
> > > ====================================================
> > > The claim that John's research was not included in 
> > > the Algeo volume is – let me use plain language – 
> > > a blatant, scandalous and bare-faced lie. I have 
> > > beside me as I write (i) the Algeo volume, (ii) 
> > > John's PhD thesis on the Blavatsky letters and (iii) 
> > > a copy of the manuscript sent by John to the TPH 
> > > before his death. If I compare them I find sentence 
> > > after sentence reproduced but for a word or two.
> > > Does anyone seriously believe that, between the 
> > > time of John's death and the publication of the Algeo 
> > > volume, the complete text was re-researched and
> > > created anew? Including letters that John had 
> > > discovered? Without any reliance on John's work, 
> > > Algeo or his puppets, acting independently, just 
> > > happened to find the same material?
> > > ==================================================
> > > 
> > > I believe a few points of clarification are needed in order
> > > to avoid any possible misunderstandings:
> > > 
> > > (1) When you write:
> > > 
> > > "If I compare them I find sentence 
> > > after sentence reproduced but for a word or two."
> > > 
> > > Now are you telling your readers on Theos-Talk that
> > > you find sentence after sentence of John Cooper's
> > > editorial COMMENTS/commentary reproduced in the
> > > TPH Wheaton volume with only a word of two changed
> > > here and there?
> > > 
> > > (2)And could you provide us with a small number of examples
> > > illustrating this point of yours?
> > > 
> > > (3) Concerning your statement which reads:
> > > 
> > > "Including letters that John had discovered?"
> > > 
> > > there are 136 letters in the published TPH Wheaton
> > > volume.
> > > 
> > > How many of these letters did John himself discover?
> > > Do you know which ones in the TPH volume fall under
> > > this category of "John discovered" as opposed to what
> > > was already in the Boris de Zirkoff collection or available
> > > thru other published sources known by Algeo independently of
> > > the Cooper MSS?
> > > 
> > > (4) Again you write:
> > > 
> > > "....the complete text was re-researched and created anew?"
> > > 
> > > By "complete text" what do you mean? Does the complete
> > > text include all of the letters provided FROM the Boris de
> > > Zirkoff collection at Wheaton TS? And what particular letters in 
> > > this published Wheaton TPH volume were provided to the complete 
> text 
> > > by Cooper himself? etc. etc. 
> > > 
> > > (5) And who are the "puppets" that you are referring to?
> > > Is this a somewhat "negative" term used to describe the
> > > persons on the Letters commmittee? And since I was on that
> > > committee does that mean I was a "puppet"? And when I was
> > > working with and assisting John Cooper on the letters, was I
> > > his "puppet"? And why call Dara Eklund Algeo's "puppet"? She
> > > was the editor of several volumes of the CW series and worked
> > > with Boris de Zirkoff. Was Dara Boris' puppet, too? Why use
> > > this term to describe the said individuals? Is this a term you 
> > > would use for example in an article in THEOSOPHICAL HISTORY?
> > > 
> > > (6) And since you say you have documents (i), (ii) and (iii),
> > > shouldn't you also be comparing all of these with document (iv) 
> > > [which consists of all the photocopies that TPH Wheaton 
> originally 
> > > gave to John Cooper from the Boris de Zirkoff collection of 
> H.P.B.'s 
> > > letters]?? Wouldn't these photocopies (which make up document 
> iv) 
> > > help one to determine what was available at Wheaton to Algeo?
> > > 
> > > These are the types of questions that need to be answered so 
> readers 
> > > will be in a better position to assess what you have written and 
> > > come to some more or less correct understanding of the issues 
> > > involved.
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > 
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