Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00349)

Perry,

I agree with your main points.

By the end of this important posting of yours (below), you seem to ask for evidences that "the alleged forged letters" ascribed to HPB are indeed forged.

Simple and easy.   I have written several articles on that. And more.  There is no one who says these letters are authentic. Not even Caldwell and Algeo.   They make propaganda of what they KNOW is false.  They plant DOUBTS. 

If you look at the Letters, you will see they are false. 

In the last few months, I have been bringing here hundreds of evidences of their falsehood,  and if you stick around you will see more of it. 

Twenty per cent of the HPB LETTERS published by Algeo are false. He calls them "of poor legitimacy" in some cases;  in other cases he says "their  originals never appeared".  Got it?  Inuendos.  You know that trick, as Adyar TS uses this political tactics with nearly all "heretics" and it may have used it against you, as it used it against William Judge in 1894-95.  

I hope  you can understand that the policy of inuendos, of "maybes", of planting  doubts, is also related to the policy of "silent editting", and  to the policy of never honestly accepting  Adyar TS' past (or present) mistakes.  


Best regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline. 





 


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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World wasting time & questioning others motives ?

> To Daniel and Carlos ,
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> The Mahatma letters a couple of times mention the importance of 
> motive.
> Motives are those things that drive us to do what we do, often they 
> are mixed sometimes they are relatively clear and some maybe even 
> unconscious, peoples motives can only ever really at best be very 
> tentatively theorised upon.
> 
> Open historical criticism is essential for any organisation that is 
> committed to seeking truth rather than fantasy, denial and 
> perpetuating myths.
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> Of course any critique is limited and also needs to be critiqued by 
> others, this process is not in order to come to an absolute 
> conclusion but is rather ongoing and one of looking openly and 
> honestly and various points of view and interpretation of what facts 
> are available.
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> Any genuine truth seeker and any organisation concerned with the 
> pursuit of truth should be ready to face information that may 
> overturn long held beliefs or contradict the established 
> institutional memory.
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> Demonising or expelling those who fail to conform to the `party line' 
> is something that should never be condoned in the theosophical 
> society in any form, not only does it go diametrically go against the 
> spirit of why the society was founded in the first place but it also 
> creates an environment that makes it impossible for it to move 
> forward with credibility.
> 
> The TS seems to have an institutional mindset that anything of a 
> negative or of a critical nature is retrograde and bad and therefore 
> not theosophical.
> 
> This organisational mindset it seems from my point of view to be 
> extreme and unbalanced, while being a critic just for the sake of 
> causing trouble and discord for its own sake would not be 
> theosophical, certainly valid and properly motivated criticism is 
> absolutely essential for genuine freedom of thought to be maintained 
> and promoted.
> 
> In a theosophical society people are free to continue to believe what 
> they choose even if those things may have been proven to be suspect 
> or even blatantly false, they can freely believe what they choose, 
> but to then on the other hand suppress someone's right to freely 
> express valid critique of those beliefs is not only hypocritical but 
> creates an environment of suppression and allows falsehood to 
> continue to be perpetuated as truth under the guise of `brotherhood'.
> 
> Both loving concern and respect for the beliefs of others needs to be 
> tempered with a willingness to use sound reasoning and valid 
> criticism, freedom needs both of these principles to be functioning 
> in order to promote genuine brotherhood and pursuit of truth.
> 
> Interestingly the Australian Section of the Theosophical society has 
> allowed criticisms of the Madame Blavatsky's work the `Secret 
> Doctrine' on 2 occasions in recent years in its national 
> magazine "Theosophy in Australia" a policy I fully support.
> 
> However would the same types of critiques of Leadbeater's writings or 
> Mrs Besant's be allowed ?
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> From all the attempts I have made to find an affirmative to this 
> question I have only received vague denials that there is even a 
> problem.
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> The question remains open until evidence to the contrary is forth 
> coming. 
> There does seem to be a double standard in treatment of Blavatsky on 
> the one hand and Leadbeater and Besant on the other.
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> Denying these freedoms by not allowing both sides of an argument to 
> voice their perspectives is denial and denial of this kind can only 
> lead to the type of `truth' that Orwell spoke about in 1984 with 
> the "Ministry of truth" & "Ministry of Love" ie. propaganda, 
> suppression and conformity.
> 
> It seems with what has transpired with the publication of the letters 
> of HPB including some allegedly forged by Solovyov we are presented 
> with an opportunity.
> 
> I would suggest that instead of wasting time questioning motives of 
> people we should instead present and examine the evidence for or 
> against these letters being either fully or in part forgeries. 
> 
> As a student I would much rather hear the arguments from those who 
> have studied these letters as to why they do or don't feel them to be 
> forgeries than hearing accusations of insincere motives on those who 
> have published them.
> 
> I am personally glad the letters are available for my perusal as a 
> student, even though I personally feel more additional information 
> should have been made in the volume regarding their suspect nature.
> 
> Cheers
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> Perry
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