Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00270)

From: Steven Levey [mailto:levey_steven@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 9:25 AM
To: dalval14@earthlink.net
Subject: 			 

			ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB


Dear Bill,

In truth, I think you have forgotten one thing. Without HPB we
would not have this era's resurgance of The Wisdom religion, known as
Theosophy. Yes, we can agree with what you say about Theosophy,
being like the Universe, it's nature therefore being unassailable.

But, none the less, you nor I would have access to it without HPB's
work. It is therefore an act of intellectual oddity to seperate them
to such an extent as to be able to say:

"Attack or defend HPB all you wish. It is an intellectual exercise
largely unrelated to theosophy".

This is similar to saying the same thing regarding the Mahatmas'
relationship to Theosophy. 


Frankly the chain of beings is as unbroken as Theosophy is. 

It leads from the Mineral Monad and all of its
representation, through all of the kingdoms through Man and
ultimately through its self chosen representatives, like HPB, to the
Mahatmas on up and through to the Great Heirarches. This is one
obviously, from the below to the above, approach. Its return is
unbroken in the other direction; from above to below. This Hermetic
teaching was presented through the Mahatmas to HPB and on to us.

The mind needs "slaying", as HPB says in The Voice of the
Silence, and this can only be done by that which is the "Parent" of
it; OURSELF. Otherwise we are able to come up with all kinds of
nonsense, even to the extent of convincing ourselves of that which is
essential as being not neccesary. Gratitude is essential here. Not as
a tool but as that which compells us from within that SELF. And that
SELF, we are taught, is contiguous with the Mahatmas. 

Without HPB bothering to present this, how would it be known. Sure, this
awareness can be arrived at by one who is able, without a Teacher
(But not without connection to the Higher Self, which connects one to
Teachers)), but she presented as complete a doctrinal approach to the
Wisdom Religion as she was able.

Steve

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From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>

Subject: RE: Attacking and defending HPB

Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 06:57:25 -0700

  DATE 7/10/2006 



Dear Friends:

Below you will find some suggestions to consider:

                                     ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB


To attack HPB is to attack the GURU to whom reverence is due because as our
GURU she opened the doors of universal facts and laws to us.

As GURU she stands not as a person but as one of the whole SCHOOL OF 
MASTERS
OF WISDOM.

Her writings show this close MAHATMIC UNITY.  Anyone who takes the trouble
to carefully peruse her ORIGINAL TEXTS  [Books and Articles ] is struck by
their logic and authority in so far as history is concerned.

For the past 129 years both her devotees and critics have had the
opportunity of studying those writings and verifying them.

The life she lived is hers as a person she says and ceased in 1875 when she
assumed the responsibility for the promulgation of the THEOSOPHY of
antiquity --  which does not vary from first to last of her
promulgation effort.

To fail in this "dharma" indicates a failure to study THEOSOPHY as a
philosophy and as history.
It is we who fail, not THEOSOPHY, not HPB the "Messenger" of the WISE .


Try and discover the main propositions of THEOSOPHY - see if they can be
refuted.  May we have a succinct list ?

Review HPB's public life from 1975 till her death in that personality in
1891.  Itemize for us a list of her misdemeanors, falsehoods, frauds,
errors, please.

Let us do this clearly so we know what we are dealing with.

Separate from these such evidence or arguments as may have emerged,  Let us
do this in two columns:


FOR  and  AGAINST.  ( Let us put the MAYBES in the "against" colum. )


this will give us all something to study, review and consider. IF WE WANT 


TO BE DEFINITE, LET'S BE DEFINITE.

  Thus we can all save time and effort.

Years ago many of us have done this, lets produce a definitive list.

Dallas