Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00256)

Perry,

Thanks. 

I broadly agree.


Usually, there are  numerous exceptions to the general rules, in Occult Science.

I am sure many people within the Rome Catholic Church have broad horizons; and Cardinal De Cusa (centuries ago) and  Leonardo Boff ( persecuted by Joseph Ratzinger until a  few years ago)  are but two examples among many.
Teillard de Chardin should be mentioned, too, with hundreds of examples.
  
Yet the general rule with Rome is "ritual,  dogma and authoritarianism". Other forms of Christianism suffer -- more or less -- from the same disease. 

That's why the Liberal Catholic Church, which still feeds in the Adyar Society and influences it a lot  ---  can hardly be considered part of the theosophical movement.  

Best regards,    Carlos.  
 

 
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Data:Wed, 12 Jul 2006 03:36:12 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: PEDRO'S PARADOX

> Carlos it would seem to me that the `road is open to hierocracy' when 
> we merely look at the surface and dont going any deeper and stay 
> within our comfort zone.
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> Any person whether priest, religious devotee, or `ritualist' plays 
> that role according to their own depth of understanding and insight.
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> To use the example of Bede Griffiths who was all three Priest, 
> Christian and `ritualist' (to me at any rate) displayed a truly 
> theosophical mindset and example, another example that comes to mind 
> is Bishop John Shelby Spong, as someone once said to me they thought 
> he is more a theosophist than Bishop.
> I am sure many other examples could be given.
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> I would agree however that the priesthood of the Catholic Church was 
> from its inception a means to disempower and suppress personal 
> freedom keeping the power with an elite few, that seems fairly clear 
> however we cannot and should not paint everyone who happens to work 
> within or be a member of such institutions with a broad brush.
> The more people who can take a `theosophical' perspective into their 
> chosen tradition the better imo.
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> Regards
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> Perry
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
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> > Friends, 
> > 
> > Pedro poses an interesting question. How can the higher 
> principles be 'contaminated' by the lower ones? 
> > 
> > Because they have a living interaction all the time. 
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> > No doubt, subtle and flexible matter initially and originally 
> belonging to Buddhi-Manas can be 'taken prisoner", so to say, by 
> lower and strong personal feelings of pride, love-for-power, orfear, 
> etc. 
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> > Daniel Goleman, author of the bestseller "The Emotional 
> Intelligence", calls this "emotional kidnapping": a strong personal 
> emotion "takes away" the generous impulses and lead then to egoistic 
> regions. 
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> > Ritualism and "Christian Faith" do something similar: the desire 
> to belong to a "prestigious club" or to get such and such degree, to 
> be a priest, and so on, "kidnaps", lets say, or "captures" the 
> independence of the individual, which is of the essence to the 
> development his Buddhi-Manas. 
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> > Then the road is open to hypocrisy. 
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> > That's why the Masters and HPB did not recommend dogmatic churches 
> or ritualism, and taught Esoteric Philosophy instead. 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
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> > Assunto:Theos-World Paradoxes in Theosophy (I)
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> > > Assuming that the exploration of theosophical teachings is still 
> > > possible in theos-talk, I would like to draw attention to a 
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> > > paradox contained in the following passage:
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> > > "Self personality, vanity and conceit harboured in the higher 
> > > principles are enormously more dangerous than the same defects 
> > > inherent only in the lower physical nature of man. They are the 
> > > breakers against which the cause of chelaship, in its 
> probationary 
> > > stage, is sure to be dashed to pieces unless the would-be 
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> > > carries with him the white shield of perfect confidence and trust 
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> > > those he would seek out through mount and vale to guide him 
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> > > toward the light of Knowledge." (Mahatma Letters, #134, 
> > > chronological sequence)
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> > > The question which occurred to me is: how can the higher 
> principles 
> > > [Atma, Buddhi, Manas] harbour such divisive qualities? 
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