Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00237)

Dear Rodolfo,

An enlightening posting of yours. 

One might add: Why should we defend the work of HPB and the Masters? 

Because there may be not a great  difference between defending a Teacher and defending ourselves.   

True spiritual teachers do hardly anything other than stimulating  the growth of the best and the highest principles in their student's consciousness. Therefore, by defending their teachers if they are attacked,  true aspirants to the Wisdom are not only defending themselves. They are defending  the best and most important part of themselves.  


Best regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline 


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Data:Tue, 11 Jul 2006 08:50:29 -0700

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Attacking and defending HPB

> 
> 
> Dear Dallas and friends:
> 
> It has always been well beyond my understanding why people who call 
> themselves "Theosophists," find it is their own right to spread 
> rumors or faults about H.P.B, like she was a fraud.
> 
> Things like she used to smoke 100 cigarettes a day is amusing for 
> somebody who wrote so many articles and books. Did she write and roll 
> cigarettes at the same time? But when they accuse her of being a 
> fraud that implies that her writings could also be material of her 
> own creation (fiction). It also means that her accusers have been 
> misled in thinking that they are "Theosophists."
> 
> To find out who H.P.B. was you don't need to read any of the several 
> biographies written on her. Some of them are better than others, but 
> none of them recounts H.P.B's life in detail. In my opinion the best 
> introduction to H.P.B. is her writings and "The Mahatma Letters."
> 
> There are several instances in TML where it is stated that H.P.B. was 
> the messenger from the "White Lodge," that she was chosen to bring to 
> the world 'once again' the Ancient Wisdom.
> 
> According to those letters her adept teachers remained behind H.P.B. 
> till the end of her physical life. Her Teachings are authentic. They 
> speak for themselves--and they work. They do what they are supposed 
> to do: human transformation.
> 
> H.P.B's connection is to the Teachings, not to the Theosophical 
> Society. From the very beginning H.P.B. was entrusted to provide the 
> Teachings and Olcott was in charge of the Society.
> 
> What follows is a paragraph from H.P.B's article "A Puzzle from Adyar":
> 
> "It is pure nonsense to say that "H.P.B.... is loyal to the 
> Theosophical Society and to Adyar" (!?).
> 
> H.P.B. is loyal to death to the Theosophical CAUSE, and those great 
> Teachers whose philosophy can alone bind the whole of Humanity into 
> one Brotherhood.
> 
> Together with Col. Olcott, she is the chief Founder and Builder of 
> the Society which was and is meant to represent that CAUSE; and if 
> she is so loyal to H. S. Olcott, it is not at all because of his 
> being its "President," but, firstly, because there is no man living 
> who has worked harder for that Society, or been more devoted to it 
> than the Colonel, and, secondly, because she regards him as a loyal 
> friend and co-worker.
> 
> Therefore the degree of her sympathies with the "Theosophical Society 
> and Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of that Society to 
> the CAUSE. Let it break away from the original lines and show 
> disloyalty in its policy to the CAUSE and the original programme of 
> the Society, and H.P.B., calling the T. S. disloyal, will shake it 
> off like dust from her feet."
> 
> My point is that when people attack H.P.B's integrity they also bring 
> a dark cloud over the teachings of Theosophy. And that is un- 
> Theosophical.
> 
> Rodolfo Don
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> DATE \@ "M/d/yyyy h:mm am/pm" 7/10/2006 6:53 AM
> 
> [WDTB1]
> 
> Re: ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB
> 
> 
> Dear Friends:
> 
> Below you will find some suggestions to consider:
> 
> 
> ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB
> 
> 
> To attack HPB is to attack the GURU to whom reverence is due because 
> as our GURU she opened the doors of universal facts and laws to us.
> 
> As GURU she stands not as a person but as one of the whole SCHOOL OF 
> MASTERS OF WISDOM.
> 
> Her writings show this close MAHATMIC UNITY. Anyone who takes the 
> trouble to carefully peruse her ORIGINAL TEXTS [Books and Articles ] 
> is struck by their logic and authority in so far as history is 
> concerned.
> 
> For the past 129 years both her devotees and critics have had the 
> opportunity of studying those writings and verifying them.
> 
> The life she lived is hers as a person she says and ceased in 1875 
> when she assumed the responsibility for the promulgation of the 
> THEOSOPHY of antiquity -- which does not vary from first to last of her
> promulgation effort.
> 
> To fail in this “dharma” indicates a failure to study THEOSOPHY as a 
> philosophy and as history.
> It is we who fail, not THEOSOPHY, not HPB the “Messenger” of the WISE .
> 
> 
> Try and discover the main propositions of THEOSOPHY – see if they can 
> be refuted. May we have a succinct list ?
> 
> Review HPB’s public life from 1975 till her death in that personality 
> in 1891. Itemize for us a list of her misdemeanors, falsehoods, 
> frauds, errors, please.
> 
> Let us do this clearly so we know what we are dealing with.
> 
> Separate from these such evidence or arguments as may have emerged, 
> Let us do this in two columns:
> FOR and AGAINST. ( Let us put the MAYBES in the “against” colum. )
> 
> 
> this will give us all something to study, review and consider. IF WE 
> WANT TO BE DEFINITE, LET’S BE DEFINITE.
> 
> Thus we can all save time and effort.
> 
> Years ago many of us have done this, lets produce a definitive list.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Meredith
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:01 AM
> To:
> Subject: ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB
> 
> One might construe an attack upon HPB as an attack upon the external
> organization she championed, however attacking or defending HPB is not
> the same as attacking or defending theosophy itself.
> 
> HPB is not theosophy.
> 
> To attack theosophy, one just as well plan an attack upon the
> universe itself. Theosophy is impervious to attack and so it needs no
> defense. It is the timeless wisdom inherent within each of us. It can
> be discovered within each of us and experienced without intermediary.
> 
> 
> HPB is but a single historical example of a human being who experienced
> her own inner divinity directly. Her example inspires us as does the
> example of many other noble souls from all walks of life.
> 
> Sadly, It is our intellect that wishes to treat theosophy as something
> external and under attack.
> 
> This "attack" requires an aggressive defense which gives the 
> intellect a reason to exist and the power to sustain itself as the 
> seat of authority of the ego-complex. Once the intellect is firmly 
> seated it seeks to expand its control from self to other selfs
> as well. This leads to the "who said what, when" bickering we so often
> see here on theos-talk.
> 
> As a result of this "much ado about nothing," the intellect is 
> magnified while the intuition is ignored causing only further delay 
> in the inevitable development of the sixth and seventh senses.
> 
> The word theosophy and the name HPB could be stricken from the
> phenomenological world with little or no impact upon divine wisdom.
> 
> 
> Many is the poet, philosopher, artist, visionary, and dreamer who has
> directly experienced the wisdom of the ages without the benefit of HPB
> or her modern lexicon.
> 
> The important *theosophical movement* is internal as we move 
> ourselves into harmony with the rhythms of the ineffable wisdom that 
> arises spontaneously from the consciousness center of all being.
> 
> Attack or defend HPB all you wish. It is an intellectual exercise 
> largely unrelated to theosophy.
> 
> peace within,
> 
> bill
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