Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00226)

7/11/2006 7:50 AM

 

                         Attacking and defending HPB         MAKING A LIST

 

 

OK  Rudy, and friends of HPB:

 

 

Rudy, why not you begin:    START and publish THE LISTS for us all.  

 

Then we can all add to the list of items, and more important, to the list of
useful replies giving careful reference to the sources for those.

 

 Love and best wishes,

Dallas

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                ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB

 

ATTACKING HPB

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DEFENDING HPB

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AND SO ON

                        Dallas

 

 

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-----Original Message-----


From: Rodolfo Don [mailto:rrdon27@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 11:48 AM
To: W. Dallas TenBroeck
Cc: ; Gail Stevenson
Subject:                       Re: Attacking and defending HPB

 

 

 

Dear Dallas and friends:

 

It has always been well beyond my understanding why people who call
themselves "Theosophists," find it is their own right to spread rumors or
faults about H.P.B, like she was a fraud. 

 

 

Things like she used to smoke 100 cigarettes a day is amusing for somebody
who wrote so many articles and books. Did she write and roll cigarettes at
the same time? But when they accuse her of being a fraud that implies that
her writings could also be material of her own creation (fiction). It also
means that her accusers have been misled in thinking that they are
"Theosophists."

 

To find out who H.P.B. was you don't need to read any of the several
biographies written on her. Some of them are better than others, but none of
them recounts H.P.B's life in detail. In my opinion the best introduction to
H.P.B. is her writings and "The Mahatma Letters." 

 

 

There are several instances in TML where it is stated that H.P.B. was the
messenger from the "White Lodge," that she was chosen to bring to the world
'once again' the Ancient Wisdom. 

 

 

According to those letters her adept teachers remained behind H.P.B. till
the end of her physical life. Her Teachings are authentic. They speak for
themselves--and they work. They do what they are supposed to do: human
transformation.

 

H.P.B's connection is to the Teachings, not to the Theosophical Society.
>From the very beginning H.P.B. was entrusted to provide the Teachings and
Olcott was in charge of the Society.

 

What follows is a paragraph from H.P.B's article "A Puzzle from Adyar":

 

"It is pure nonsense to say that "H.P.B.... is loyal to the Theosophical
Society and to Adyar" (!?). 

 

 

H.P.B. is loyal to death to the Theosophical CAUSE, and those great Teachers
whose philosophy can alone bind the whole of Humanity into one Brotherhood. 

 

 

Together with Col. Olcott, she is the chief Founder and Builder of the
Society which was and is meant to represent that CAUSE; and if she is so
loyal to H. S. Olcott, it is not at all because of his being its
"President," but, firstly, because there is no man living who has worked
harder for that Society, or been more devoted to it than the Colonel, and,
secondly, because she regards him as a loyal friend and co-worker. 

 

 

Therefore the degree of her sympathies with the "Theosophical Society and
Adyar" depends upon the degree of the loyalty of that Society to the CAUSE.
Let it break away from the original lines and show disloyalty in its policy
to the CAUSE and the original programme of the Society, and H.P.B., calling
the T. S. disloyal, will shake it off like dust from her feet."

 

My point is that when people attack H.P.B's integrity they also bring a dark
cloud over the teachings of Theosophy. And that is un-Theosophical.

 

Rodolfo Don

 

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On Jul 10, 2006, at 6:57 AM, W.Dallas TenBroeck wrote:


 DATE 7/10/2006 6:53 AM

            Re:       ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB

 Dear Friends:

 Below you will find some suggestions to consider:

                        ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB

 To attack HPB is to attack the GURU to whom reverence is due because as our
GURU she opened the doors of universal facts and laws to us. 

 As GURU she stands not as a person but as one of the whole SCHOOL OF
MASTERS OF WISDOM.

 Her writings show this close MAHATMIC UNITY.  Anyone who takes the trouble
to carefully peruse her ORIGINALTEXTS  [Books and Articles ] is struck by
their logic and authority in so far as history is concerned.

 For the past 129 years both her devotees and critics have had the
opportunity of studying those writings and verifying them.

 The life she lived is hers as a person she says and ceased in 1875 when she
assumed the responsibility for the promulgation of the THEOSOPHY of
antiquity --  which does not vary from first to last of her promulgation
effort.

 To fail in this "dharma" indicates a failure to study THEOSOPHY as a
philosophy and as history.

It is we who fail, not THEOSOPHY, not HPB the "Messenger" of the WISE .

 Try and discover the main propositions of THEOSOPHY - see if they can be
refuted.  May we have a succinct list ?

 Review HPB's public life from 1975 till her death in that personality in
1891.  Itemize for us a list of her misdemeanors, falsehoods, frauds,
errors, please.

 Let us do this clearly so we know what we are dealing with.

 Separate from these such evidence or arguments as may have emerged,  Let us
do this in two columns:

FOR  and  AGAINST.  ( Let us put the MAYBES in the "against" colum. )

 this will give us all something to study, review and consider. IF WE WANT
TO BE DEFINITE, LET'S BE DEFINITE.

  Thus we can all save time and effort. 

Years ago many of us have done this, LETS PRODUCE A DEFINITIVE LIST.

 Best wishes,

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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Meredith
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:01 AM
To:

Subject:           ATTACKING AND DEFENDING HPB

 

One might construe an attack upon HPB as an attack upon the external 
organization she championed, however attacking or defending HPB is not 
the same as attacking or defending theosophy itself.

HPB is not theosophy.

To attack theosophy, one just as well plan an attack upon the 
universe itself. Theosophy is impervious to attack and so it needs no 
defense. It is the timeless wisdom inherent within each of us. It can 
be discovered within each of us and experienced without intermediary.


HPB is but a single historical example of a human being who experienced 
her own inner divinity directly. Her example inspires us as does the 
example of many other noble souls from all walks of life. 

Sadly, It is our intellect that wishes to treat theosophy as something 
external and under attack.

This "attack" requires an aggressive defense which gives the intellect a
reason to exist and the power to sustain itself as the seat of authority of
the ego-complex. Once the intellect is firmly seated it seeks to expand its
control from self to other selfs as well. This leads to the "who said what,
when" bickering we so often see here on theos-talk.

s a result of this "much ado about nothing," the intellect is magnified
while the intuition is ignored causing only further delay in the inevitable
development of the sixth and seventh senses.


The word theosophy and the name HPB could be stricken from the 
phenomenological world with little or no impact upon divine wisdom.


Many is the poet, philosopher, artist, visionary, and dreamer who has 
directly experienced the wisdom of the ages without the benefit of HPB 
or her modern lexicon.

The important *theosophical movement* is internal as we move ourselves into
harmony with the rhythms of the ineffable wisdom that arises spontaneously
from the consciousness center of all being.

Attack or defend HPB all you wish. It is an intellectual exercise largely
unrelated to theosophy.

peace within,

bill

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