Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00209)

Dear Friends, 


The message below, by Frank Reitemeyer, is rather clearly Nazi, or, as he writes, "nationalsocialistic".  Nazism is the short form of "National Socialism".   

The message  is also obviously pro-Adolf Hitler. To my knowledge, this is the clearest message with Nazi content so far written in Theos-talk since February 2006.  

It sounds a little bit surreal to see an open defense of Nazism in such an environment, yet I prefer open Nazism than its disguised varieties. 

his is a proof that we should have clearer notions about the relationship between Democracy, Liberty of Thought, Non-Violence and Theosophy,  in one hand;  and Nazism, Hatred, Nationalistic Fanaticism and Violence, on the other hand. 

The Second World War had obvious occult meanings, and it is far from indifferent from a Theosophical viewpoint.  

HPB worked directly against  the causes of WWII, as many know.  She succeeded in part.  

Democracy won and the U.N., the "Federation of Nations", is now  established in the city where the movement was created.

May 8th, the White Lotus Day, is the Day of the Victory for  WWII in Europe. 


Best regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline 




 

  


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Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Re: Blavatsky Aryans vs Hitler Aryans

> Dear Jake,
> that is misleading and false, although political 
> theosophists, who march hand in hand with 
> conspiracy masonry and co-masonry, on the way to 
> the communistic, tyrannic, all equalizing world 
> republic, may have a need for inventing pseudo 
> arguments to suit their descent into kali yug.
> 
> The nationalsocialistic definition of races in 
> general and the term (Hegel!) Aryan in particular 
> is identical and not different as can easily seen 
> by two of their major works: Hitler's "Mein Kampf" 
> (My Struggle) and the book of the Baltic-German 
> party philosopher Alfred Rosenberg "Der Mythus des 
> 20. Jahrhunderts" (were he rejects the teachings 
> of Besant and Steiner, but not of Blavatsky).
> 
> That the Germans were actually the first Aryans in 
> Europe, as Nationalsocialism postulated, is 
> theosophical confirmed by Kenneth Morris of the 
> Raja-Yoga-College in Point Loma, where he lectured 
> on in in 1918-1919. See his article "The 
> crest-wave of evolution", The Theosophical Path 
> October 1919, S. 330:
> "...[T]he Teutons ... were the first to leave 
> Virginia: paddled their own canoes off to far-away 
> Deutschland before ever the mild Hindoo set out 
> for Hindustan, the Greek for Greece, or the 
> Anglo-Saxon for Anglo-Saxony."
> 
> A buddhistic confirmation that the 
> Nationalsocialistic definition of the Aryan race 
> is correct, come from Abbot T'ai-ksii of the 
> Ta-lin Szu lamasery in Kuling, China. The abbot 
> wrote in a letter of Aug. 11th, 1937 "to the 
> Leader of the German people, Mr. Adolf Hitler", 
> that the Aryan race has recently developed far 
> most and that the German people is regarded by 
> him, compared with the people of China and of 
> India, the most admirably branch of the old Aryan 
> stock (you know perhaps that Chinese mythology 
> says that China was founded by a blond, blue-eyed 
> long nose Master from the West). This and other 
> buddhistic sources which proof - in the negative 
> sense of the authors - the congruity between 
> Buddhism and Nationalsocialism Victor und Victoria 
> Trimondi: Hitler, Buddha, Krischna, Wien 2002, S. 
> 320-321.
> 
> That the buddhistic sources are not simply an 
> invention as the left magic followers of the 
> Frankfurt school and materialists and Marxists 
> would say, is also confirmed by Johann August 
> Egenolf, "Historie der Teutschen Sprache" (History 
> of the Teutonic Language), Leipzig 1735, p. 
> 125-125, part IV, where he writes that the German 
> god Odin together with his two sons Urus and Vikus 
> ruled in Sachsen (saxony) and that an island near 
> Finland is named after him as Odinsey, Homer's 
> Odyssey. HPB confirms in her SD that Odin or Wotan 
> or Votan or Vatan is one of the 35 primordial 
> Buddhas.
> That makes sense if you know of Old High German 
> (the true OHG, not that of the faked glossaries of 
> the middle ages), because the first real Buddha of 
> the Aryan 5th race is in one of his epithets named 
> Buddha Sakyamuni. Well, Sakya is OHG for Sachsen 
> (anglizised Saxony), while muni is OHG for mönch 
> (anglizised monk), so in Aryan German the Buddha 
> is nothing else as the Buddha monk from Saxony.
> 
> HPB confirms that the language of that nascent 
> race was Sanskrit - sans and krit are OHG words, 
> meaning Holy Schrift (skript, script). BTW, here 
> you have a rationale, why Tony Maddock is right in 
> his criticism of Boris de Zirkoff's edition of the 
> SD, where he replaces disk with disc etc., 
> although BdeZ wrote in a letter to Mary Linne of 
> TS Unterlengenhardt that the German language can 
> better express mystical and spritual terms that 
> other languages. Or did he edit it therefore, for 
> some unknown reason?
> 
> On pp. 119-121 Egelolf he shows that the high age 
> of the Germans can be confirmed by the language 
> key, as all the languages sprang from one source 
> (HPB confirms this in SD) and that gothic, latin 
> and greek have sprang from the old German 
> language, which make the whole babylonic 
> confusion.
> 
> Heinrich Schliemann discovered the Aryan Svastika 
> sign in Troj. Greek was peopled by old Prussians 
> in ancient times as language confirms. Athens mean 
> in old Prussian "the brothers", the same what 
> "German" means in old celtic. Judge differs 
> between the Western Aryans and the Eastern Aryans, 
> so for Judge the Germans and the Indians are both 
> Aryans. And the sign of the Aryans was and is the 
> Svastika.
> 
> Jake, here you have the rationale why a certain 
> people, which claim, against your quote below of 
> HPB, to be the originators of civilization, was so 
> fanatic to destroy the German cities in a bomb 
> holocaust - in the hope that all books, documents 
> which proof the old age of the Aryans will be 
> destroyed forever and that they - the artificial 
> Aryans - can hypnotize the masses with their 
> invented history, which K.H. once named so well 
> "license history".
> 
> Jake, with your argument, which shows to me no 
> logic - otherwise you should explain it better - 
> you felt into the Jewish trap.
> HPB protested against fake Jewish history, when 
> she writes:
> 
> "Hence, the main question at issue is to decide 
> which-the Orientalist or the "Oriental"-is most 
> likely to err. The "English F. T. S." has choice 
> of two sources of information, two groups of 
> teachers. One group is composed of Western 
> historians with their suite of learned 
> Ethnologists, Philologists, Anthropologists, 
> Archæologists and Orientalists in general. The 
> other consists of unknown Asiatics belonging to a 
> race which, notwithstanding Mr. Max Müller's 
> assertion "that the same blood was running in his 
> veins [the English soldier's] and in the veins of 
> the dark Bengalese"16-is generally regarded by 
> many a cultured Western as "inferior." A handful 
> of men-whose history, religion, language, origin 
> and sciences, having been seized upon by the 
> conqueror, are now disfigured and mutilated beyond 
> recognition; and who having lived to see the 
> Western scholar claim a monopoly beyond appeal or 
> protest of deciding the correct meaning, 
> chronological date, and historical value, of the 
> monumental and palæographic relics of his 
> motherland-can hardly hope to be listened to. It 
> has little, if ever, entered the mind of the 
> Western public that their scholars have, until 
> very lately, worked in a narrow pathway obstructed 
> with the ruins of an ecclesiastical, dogmatic 
> Past; that they have been cramped on all sides by 
> limitations of "revealed" events coming from God 
> "with whom a thousand years are but as one day," 
> and who have thus felt bound to cram millenniums 
> into centuries and hundreds into units, giving at 
> the utmost an age of 1,000 to what is 10,000 years 
> old. All this to save the threatened authority of 
> their religion and their own respectability and 
> good name in cultured society. And even that, when 
> free themselves from preconceptions, they have had 
> to protect the honour of the Jewish divine 
> chronology assailed by stubborn facts..."
> - "Historical Difficulties - Why?" B:CW, vol. V, 
> pp. 204-5
> 
> Artificial and license history, Jake. That is the 
> topic that Nationalsocialists had in daily 
> speecehs and articles on their agenda.
> 
> Is that worth a thought to the thinking part of 
> theosophists? Theosophists should understand HPB's 
> theosophy at least as well as Hitler did. 
> Theosophists would improve morally and 
> intellectually.
> The misunderstanding and non-understanding of HPB 
> is perhaps the main reason for the laughable 
> intellectual, spiritual and moral standing of the 
> whole Theosophical Moevements.
> The early theosophists in Adyar and Boston where 
> eager to protect the attacked nations India and 
> USA from foreign rule and preserve the culture.
> 
> I have seen as yet no sign from the whole TM to 
> help protect the culture of Germany, which is 
> attacked from many sides to the disadvantage of 
> the whole world as Hitler confidant and admirer 
> and Purucker friend Sven Hedin and also Knut 
> Hamsum and Savriti Devi said so well.
> 
> You will also consider the words of Talbot Mundy, 
> from your edition "The Lama's law", p. 6 (!):
> "Zionism is regarded as a danger... the accounts 
> of butchery of the inhabitants, of intolerance, 
> and of rushless destruction of cities." Mahatma 
> Gandhi's critisms of the Jews have the same 
> spiritual background (perhaps from Mundy?) HPB 
> taught in London that the jewish conspiracy of 
> Socialism will led to a bloodshet of millions 
> (Theosophical Sifitings, vol. 6, Art. 
> "Socialism") - nothing else said Rosenberg and 
> Hitler.
> 
> As Karl Marx' Jewish question as also the 
> questions of the Holo, the fake state of Israel 
> and violent multicultural peoples pulp are of 
> vital importance to the physical and spiritual 
> survival of the Aryan race, I regard this as the 
> litmus test for the TM and whether the corrupt 
> theosophical organizations of today (where 
> documents are being faked to mislead the world) 
> have a right to survive or should be better 
> closed. In the 1930'ies the TM was already so much 
> descended down that de Purucker said (in his 
> "Conventions"?) that they nearly all follow the 
> left hand path (that is exactly the Adyar TS, the 
> Temple, ULT, Steiner, Vollrath & Hartmann 
> lineages).
> 
> So it would be most interesting to see primary 
> sources - not rumours, hearsay, jewish slander - 
> if, why and where Hitler and HPB differ 
> spiritually, morally and intellectually. Until I 
> get such convincing proofs I regard Hitler's deeds 
> as "Theosophy made practical" under the worst 
> possible circumstances and without time and men 
> enough.
> 
> Germany will not agree to be murdered and keep 
> silent thereby. If Germany wins her death 
> struggle - with or without the help of the 
> followers of "divine wisdom" - she will be the 
> spiritual beacon light for true spirituality and 
> practial wisdom - without cant, hypocrisy, 
> cowadise, lies and all the other vices and 
> misdeeds. The same for her spiritual sister Tibet 
> (Hitler intimate Sven Hedin said that Tibet and 
> Germany have an occult connection, the present 
> 14th Dalai Lama confirmed it on a Harvard lecture, 
> where he reveiled a prophecy of the Saxon Buddha 
> about the arrival of the SS men Peter Aufschnaiter 
> and Heinrich Harrer in Tibet.)
> Frank
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Mark Jaqua
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:50 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: Blavatsky Aryans vs 
> Hitler Aryans
> 
> 
> Re: Blavatsky Aryans vs. Nazi Arayans
> 
> Blavatsky's use of the term "Aryan" is a 
> completely different thing than the Nazi's use of 
> it and they get mixed up, and Blavatsky gets flak 
> and ignorant prejudice for it. Blavatsky uses it 
> in terms of large cycles of human types, the Asian 
> Indians being the first "Aryans," the Jews and 
> Negroes also being "Aryans" in her system. She 
> writes on the Jews:
> 
> "The Aryan Hindu belongs to the oldest races now 
> on earth; the Semite Hebrew to the latest. One is 
> nearly one million years old; the other is a small 
> sub-race some 8,000 years old and no more." 
> (Secret Doctrine, II, 470-71, Orig. Ed.)
> 
> - jake jaqua
> 
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