Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00152)

Daniel,


All of this (see below) is well-known, of course. 

And still, the Coulombs have apostles in the 21st century;  and you might be one of their faithful chosen... 

Yet I still hope you can believe what you yourself wrote below and drop those lies away !!!

Most confidently about the state of your Antahkarana,

Truly yours,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline 









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Data:Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:53:28 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Carlos, "this small sum", the Coulombs, etc.

> Carlos,
> 
> Please notice that the amount mentioned by Mr. Judge is also 
> characterized by him as "this small sum."
> 
> I suspect that the Coulombs were doing what they were doing 
> for OTHER reasons than for "this small sum" of money.
> 
> First of all, revenge would be a very strong motivation.
> 
> Plus one should not forget what the Master K.H. had
> said (months before) in trying to assess the motivations of the 
> Coulomb couple:
> 
> "Mad. Coulomb is a MEDIUM & as such irresponsible for many things 
> she may say or do. At the same time she is kind and charitable. 
> One must know how to act towards her to make of her a very good 
> friend. She has her own weaknesses but their bad effects can be 
> minimised by exercising on her mind a moral influence by a friendly 
> & kindly feeling. Her mediumistic nature is a help in this 
> direction, if proper advantage be taken of the same." caps added.
> Quoted from:
> http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/khhartma.htm
> 
> Also one should take into account that on April 26, 1884 (again 
> months before Emma Coulomb actually contacted the Rev. Patterson) 
> Master Morya wrote:
> 
> "For some-time already the woman [Coulomb] has opened communication 
> --- a regular diplomatic pourparler with the enemies of the cause, 
> certain padris. --- She hopes for more than 2,000 Rupees from them,
> if she helps them ruining or at least injuring the Society by 
> injuring the reputation of the founders....The ------ are ready to 
> lay out a good sum for the ruin of the Society they hate...."
> Quoted from Franz Hartmann's REPORT OF OBSERVATIONS, etc., pp. 35-36.
> 
> My understanding is that these "padris" were NOT connected with the 
> Rev. Patterson. 
> 
> Much more could be written about this but I will stop here at this 
> point.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends, 
> > 
> > In September 1884, the "Christian College Magazine" of the Free 
> Church of Scotland in Madras (1) published a collection of false 
> letters ascribed to Blavatsky and slandering her. 
> > 
> > The material had been forged by Emma and Alexis Coulombs, a 
> couple of scoundrels nowadays highly publicized by Daniel Calwell 
> and others. 
> > 
> > In October 9, 1884, the publication "Athenaeum and Daily News", in 
> Madras, India, published this letter by W. Judge: 
> > 
> > To the Editor.
> > Cheapness of Public Morality and the Coulombs.
> > 
> > SIR, – I believe I am under no obligation to keep silence. At 
> an interview, on the Theosophical Headquarters on the 27 th day of 
> Sept. ult, in the presence of Dr. F. Hartmann, Mr. Gribble, Mr. 
> Padfield, Mr. Alexander, D.K. Mavalankar, a Madras gentleman, Mr. 
> Darbogen Nath, Mr. T. Subba Row, High Court Vakeel, myself and 
> another person whose name escapes me, the Rev. Mr. Patterson stated 
> freely, and not under the seal of confidence, that he had paid the 
> Coulombs for the alleged Blavatsky letters, the sum of rupees one 
> hundred and fifty, in 3 instalments first 25, second 50, and then 
> 75, in all 150. Now the question arises, is the "C.C. Magazine" so 
> poor that it cannot pay Rs. 150, in one payment. Common sense and 
> common reputation answer, that they very well could pay this small 
> sum at once why then they break it up in this case? It must be 
> either because of bargaining; or because at 
> firt "public morality" was thought to be worth Rs. 25, 
> which estimate was afterwards changed twice; or because these 
> amounts are only earnests (2) of what the Coulombs may expect from 
> the Missionary camps upon the success of their attack on Theosophy. 
> Did the Coulombs receive this money; or are they being slandered? In 
> the Oct. "C.C.M.", the Editor says he "would be likely to hear" of 
> bargains with the Missionaries; he does not say that he did not 
> hear. William Q. Judge. (3) 
> > 
> > 
> > So far, the letter. 
> > 
> > 
> > Now, my questions to Daniel Caldwell, who since the 1990s has 
> been the main publicist of the Coulombs, are: 
> > 
> > 1) How does he evaluate this amount of 150 rupees as the value for 
> a bribe? 
> > 
> > 2) How much a new "Coulomb" or "Soloviof" could earn today, by 
> circulating the same lies in the Internet and in theosophical 
> books? Or would that have to be volunteer work? 
> > 
> > 3) Does Daniel believe that the 150 rupees' bribe payed to 
> his " historical sources", the Coulombs, was the full price for 
> their treason, or Judge was right and it was just paid as earnests? 
> Does Daniel find it a fair price? 
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > NOTES:
> > 
> > (1) A Church influenced by Calvinism. It separated from the 
> Church of Scotland in 1843, after a ten years' conflict. (See 
> Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1967) 
> > 
> > (2) "Earnests", that is, money paid in advance to bind a contract, 
> a token or assurance of something to come. 
> > 
> > (3) "The Coulomb Case", Theosophical History Occasional Papers, 
> Volume X, California State University, 2005, 73 pp., see p. 49. 
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