Theos-Talk Archives (July 2006 Message tt00091)

Not if she wants to keep her job.  If she was as noble as you say, then shouldn't she clean out the cupboards once and for all?

Cass

carlosaveline <carlosaveline@terra.com.br> wrote:                                  Friends, 
 
 The political reasons and benefits I see the radical wing of pseudo-theosophists can have by circulating slanders against HPB are not limited to this or that isolated action. 
 
 Some kind of scholarly appearance is most convenient to those "theosophists" who wish to put HPB at the same moral level as CW Leadbeater. More than one personally honest "scholar"  was involved in this political game in the last few decades. John Cooper is not the only example. 
 
 As I said earlier, Ms. Radha Burnier does not belong to such a radical wing, somewhat related to the "Liberal Catholic Church" priests, which are the theosophical equivalent, let's say, to the Opus Dei --  except for the fact that that they do not seem respond to Ms. Radha, while the Opus Dei does respond, or reports, to the Pope in Rome.      
 
 A Scorpio,  but with Ascendant in Aquarius, Ms. Radha  is not inclined to gossips against the founders. 
 
 Regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
 
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 Assunto:Theos-World Food for thought: What were John Cooper's Motivations?
 
 > As recently noted by Mr. Carlos Aveline, the late John Cooper
 > wrote as follows in "The Canadian Theosophist", Toronto, 
 > March/April 1991:
 > 
 > "Through the kindness of those who are carrying on the 
 > work of Boris de Zirkoff, I have been engaged by the 
 > Theosophical Publishing House [Wheaton, Illinois, USA] 
 > to prepare a critical edition of "The Collected Letters 
 > of H. P. Blavatsky".
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 > In particular, Mr. Cooper wrote:
 > 
 > "...All letters written by H.P.B. will be included. 
 > These will INCLUDE letters whose authenticity is doubtful, 
 > ...." caps added.
 > 
 > As John Cooper himself wrote elsewhere:
 > 
 > "My major news is that the first volume of The Collected Letters of 
 > H.P. Blavatsky is almost completed. Wheaton will be sending me back 
 > shortly the second proof of the text of the letters and their 
 > annotations..."
 > 
 > And as evidence that Mr. Cooper followed this editorial
 > policy, we have both his completed dissertation (which is available
 > in microfiche) and his manuscript sent to Wheaton.
 > 
 > In other words, both John Cooper's dissertation and his manuscript
 > which was to be published by the Theosophical Publishing House, 
 > Wheaton, INCLUDED "letters whose authenticity is doubtful."
 > 
 > Mr. Cooper died before his manuscript was published by
 > TPH Wheaton.
 > 
 > John Algeo who then became the editor of this HPB LETTERS PROJECT 
 > also INCLUDED these SAME "disputed" letters in what was eventually 
 > published by the same TPH Wheaton as THE COLLECTED LETTERS OF H.P. 
 > BLAVATSKY, Volume I.
 > 
 > Mr. Carlos Aveline has been more than eager and happy to ascribe
 > certain motives to John Algeo for including these letters:
 > 
 > "Algeo has been for some years the international vice-president of 
 > the Adyar Society, and from the viewpoint of political power, he 
 > might have strong reasons to use those old slanders [as found in 
 > the 'disputed' letters] as instruments to attack HPB at the moral 
 > ground. It would be a cunning way to help prevent Adyar Society 
 > members from rediscovering true Theosophy, or from getting rid of 
 > the ritualistic fancies and authoritarian power-structure created by 
 > C. W. Leadbeater."
 > 
 > And this was the same type of "reasoning" used by Robert Bruce 
 > MacDonald in his "theosophical" editorial in FOHAT:
 > 
 > "There are very good political reasons
 > for INCLUDING those letters. Adyar and
 > Wheaton embrace a brand of 'theosophy'
 > that is built upon the work of Annie Besant,
 > Charles Leadbeater, and their worshipping
 > followers."
 > 
 > "Adyar and Wheaton have to believe, and they
 > have to ensure that their members believe in
 > the sainthood of at least Besant. This
 > sainthood cannot be guaranteed if Blavatsky,
 > Judge and their interpretations of the Masters
 > are not made suspect. The easiest way to
 > accomplish this is to attack the reputations
 > of these two founders of the society and
 > attribute to them base, political motives,
 > to make them as ethical as a Jesuit. Adyar
 > and Wheaton obviously WANT these letters
 > INCLUDED in these collections and you can
 > be sure that they will not be the last of
 > their type. There will be other letters
 > of the same ilk in future volumes. If
 > you are members of these organizations, do
 > not let your leadership get away with this."
 > [Quoted from Fall, 2004 issue of FOHAT] caps added.
 > 
 > But I ask:
 > 
 > What were John Cooper's motivations for ALSO including the very
 > SAME letters?
 > 
 > Please note that whether the volume of HPB's letters had been 
 > published with Cooper as the editor or with Algeo as the editor, the
 > volume would have been issued by the SAME publisher and the SAME 
 > disputed letters would have been included in either scenario.
 > 
 > So would Mr. MacDonald or Mr. Aveline have been willing to ascribe 
 > to Mr. Cooper the SAME motive for publishing the disputed letters as 
 > they do to Algeo?
 > 
 > Had John Cooper lived to see Volume I published would he have found 
 > himself the target of the many aspersions Mr. Aveline has instead 
 > hurled at Dr. Algeo?
 > 
 > And had Boris de Zirkoff lived to publish Volume I of HPB's letters, 
 > would he have found himself also the target of Mr. Aveline's 
 > accusations?
 > 
 > Here is what Mr. Aveline just wrote yesterday:
 > 
 > "John Algeo is, no doubt, the main responsible for such an attempt 
 > to absorb dozens of slanderous texts into the heart of the 
 > theosophical literature � nay, into the very body of HPB's 
 > writings. Yet one could say that this was not his idea. After all, 
 > he only put it into practice. In a way, IT ALL STARTED with John 
 > Cooper back in 1991, or EVEN EARLIER with Boris de Zirkoff."
 > 
 > "....First., there was no need for Zirkoff to translate many of 
 > those 'letters' from the Russian, as he did, or at least to plan to 
 > publish them, if he planned indeed. Why publishing and circulating 
 > forgeries?" caps added.
 > 
 > As far as I know Mr. de Zirkoff planned to publish these same 
 > letters and in all my dealings with Dara Eklund, who was the 
 > executor of Mr. de Zirkoff's estate and the assistant compiler of 
 > two volumes of HPB's Colleted writings, I never got the impression 
 > that Mr. de Zirkoff had intended not to include said letters.
 > 
 > Therefore do the motivations ascribed to Algeo by Aveline and 
 > MacDonald apply also to Mr. de Zirkoff or even to Ms. Eklund?
 > 
 > Food for thought....
 > 
 > Daniel 
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