Theos-Talk Archives (June 2006 Message tt00146)

Dear Dallas,

Thanks for the interesting material. 

As long as I know,  Thomas Taylor is preferable to any other translater, since he himself was a gret platonist.

R. Robb (Wizards Bookhelf) published a volume of his rendering of several Plato's Dialogues.

Regards,  Carlos. 

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Data:Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:10:35 -0700

Assunto:RE: Theos-World Socrates and Plato

> 6/6/2006 8:05 AM
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> Friends:
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> On SOCRATES
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> We ought to also check the T. Taylor translation -- in some ways it is
> better than Jewett's
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> 
> Here is an interesting view: from FORUM ANSWERS, p. 128-9
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> "Q.: When great teachers like St. Paul, St. John, Socrates and
> others incarnate do they commence with the degree of development with which
> they closed the preceding incarnation? if so, why are there so few great
> souls in the world teaching and living the proper life?
> 
> W.Q.J.-Let us take the last part of your question first, and ask how do you
> know there are "so few great souls in the world"? It would not be right to
> judge all other men by yourself nor by a limited number of persons you may
> have known, hence it is likely you do not so judge, but have merely assumed
> that there are very few souls in the world like unto those you mention. Such
> an assumption does not seem to be a correct one. There very probably are
> among us now many great souls of the past. Nothing in philosophy or the
> doctrine of reincarnation is against such a view. 
> 
> We being actors on the present stage are not able to judge whether some
> others of whom we know are great men or not, who may be regarded by
> posterity as great personages like to St. Paul and your other examples. It
> is more than likely St. Paul was not highly regarded in his time; now, in
> the distance, he shines out. 
> 
> Certainly we know that Socrates had such poor regard from his contemporaries
> as to be poisoned because he was thought not to be a good man; now we, so
> far off, look at him differently. In the same way will it be respecting our
> own present times after the lapse of centuries.
> 
> As to where any Ego will begin in any life is determined by karma and the
> needs of development. The whole front, or mass of our nature is so enormous
> that one life or one sort of development is only a small part of it: there
> is no possibility of at once exhibiting it all. So the former life of St.
> Paul may be now certainly hidden for further use while he is undergoing
> another necessary development which had formerly been neglected. If we look
> at his life we find he was a persecutor once. That was not at all atoned for
> by his subsequent conduct- unless of course you admit vicarious salvation-
> which I do not. He must atone for all that hurt done to others, and his
> reincarnation in some obscure place and body for several lives would quite
> accord with the needs of the case. So you can reason out the whole matter,
> recollecting that karma goes by (129) cause and effect, and that the whole
> vast nature of man must be considered, and that you and I do not know the
> whole nature of those people you refer to. Hence we must conclude that the
> present age and the karma of past sages do not coincide in such a way as to
> produce many living before us. And if we ask what is the use, we must
> conclude that in such a selfish, superficial time as this they would be
> useless and out of place." F A pp. 128-9
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> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carlosaveline
> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2006 9:05 AM
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> Subject: Socrates and Plato
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> 
> Dear Friends,
> 
> It is rather interesting for anyone to say that Socrates was not Plato's
> master. 
> 
> The first third part of Plato's extensive works is most influenced by
> Socrates and Socrates is a major player in those Dialogues.
> 
> Plato openly recognized Socrates influence over him and made extensive
> homage to his master, for instance in "Apology of Socrates". 
> 
> Plato's inner source is linked -- as it is well-known -- to certain
> Pythagorean manuscripts he acquired. Yet he was a pupil of Socrates'. 
> 
> Best regards, Carlos.
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