Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00945)

Dear Dallas,


Thanks. 

The Roman  Catholic Church created a huge Maya, a wall of illusion, around the classical philosophy.  HPB wrote that Raja Yoga is hidden, but most present, within western classical philosophy. Long before reading that, I had discovered that by myself. 

Having commited my life to Raja Yoga, I  started "finding"  precious pieces of Raja Yoga  in Democritus, Seneca, Musonius Rufus, Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, Phorphyry, the Pythagoreans, to name a few examples.  Epicurus was called "a Theosophist" by HPB. 

When I saw HPB stating the Raja Yoga in present in Western classical Philosophy, it was the but the bibliographical reference and the seal of established legitimacy for my own direct perception. 

Now, what does the Roman Catholic, ritualistic empire do as to Philosophy? 

First, it ignores the whole of classical philosophy with the two main exceptions of Plato and Aristotle. 

Second, it reduces Plato to mere word-speculation. (Something similar was made with HPB within the theosophical movement.) 

Anyone who takes the trouble to read Plato will see --  dear Dallas --  how practical his philosophy is.  The fact that it is "difficult" do understand in words, since it is at an abstract level, does not make it a speculative thing. It is utterly practical. 

I recommend people to read Plato's dialogue "Sophist", for instance, in order to understand what is going on now with John Algeo, Paul Johnson, Daniel Caldwell and a whole level of the theosophical movement, in its various organizations and groups.  It is not a question of fighting personalities, but of understanding a process with roots in the ancient world: Sophistry. 

It started attacking the theosophical movement,  we might say, with Henry Sidgwick, of the SPR, who, by the way,  did write a book on Ethics.  But his Ethics was a Sophistic, or "Utilitarian" of Morality.  

The crux of the matter, then,  is that true philosophy has nothing to do with what the Jesuits, the Vatican,  their "Scholars" and the average Universities have made of it -- a mrely speculative way of getting money and social status.  This is most precisely -- Sophistry, as Plato shows in "Prothagoras" and  "Sophist".   

True Western classical philosophy is as practical and as "scientific" as the various forms of eastern Yoga, of which we should see at least three in the theosophical movement: Raja, Jnana, and Karma.  

We have had 2,500 years of documented persecution of LIGHTBEARERS, or  "Lucifers" as HPB would say.  Not only personal persecution. Distortion, sophistry, misleading policies, shortsighted movements...  

It would be all too easy to defend HPB, or her written works, if  only her or her  writings were being attacked by Sophistry.  

University Sophists who call themselves "Scholars" think that they can control Plato's Philosophy. They also usually ignore many of the other classical thinkers or treat them as classified and labelled pieces in a Museum. 

Please remember that great part of the Universities, as such, started already under the Vatican's control.  So Universities in great part took the heart out of true philosolphy and served it as a purely speculative discourse on reality. This is pure Jesuitry.  That was the way to turn Philosophy into a tame and domestic animal, submissive to the ritualistic dogmas and myths of the day.  

Justd as we have now a Pseudo-Theosophy which is speculative and not-for-living, we also have a Pseudo-Philosophy, which is purely made or words and not actions. 

Yet there has been a recent popular revival of true Philosophy,  and I guess this will lead to a revival of true Theosophy too, sooner than later.  

There is much more to be said, we will proceed little by little...  but you know that SD and HPB is not Oriental -- it is Western and Oriental. 

In the first years of the movement  (up to 1879)  the Western Lodge of the Brotherhood was most present in the life of the TS. 

Cooperation between East-West Adepts it total. The TS was created after Ammonius Saccas "Eclectic Theosophy". Ammonius was a neoplatonist and neopythagorean, the master of Plotinus and Phorphyry.  Then Iamblicchus, etc.  So the theosophical movement has plenty of easter AND westerns connections. 

Not to mention fourth race connections.  Before founding the TS, HPB visited Greece, Egypt, India, Tibet, Andean Mountains, Central America and North American native traditions. There was an occult preparation much before 1875. 


Best regards,    Carlos Cardoso Aveline. 











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Data:Wed, 31 May 2006 06:17:42 -0700

Assunto:RE: Theos-World Dallas, Socrates & Subba Row

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> 5/31/2006 6:06 AM
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> 
> Thanks John.
> 
> May I offer ?
> 
> In my opinion the Oriental (via SECRET DOCTRINE and The KEY TO THEOSOPHY)
> give us an ancient basis psychological system [as in PATANJALI's
> YOGA-SUTRAS] is more valuable to us, as it includes and makes practical and
> entirely reasonable, the moral principles (virtues) which, on comparison,
> are found to be common, and are parallel in every one of the ancient and
> current religions -- though individual discipline and self-restraint do not
> seem to be given the importance they deserve.
> 
> Each of these ancient religions seems to describe the same grand scheme.
> There must somewhere be an original and common base. The questions we could
> ask are:
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> 1 If the UNIVERSE is 7-fold, is Man's constitution likewise 7-fold ?
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> 2 Is the purpose of life-experience the sharpening and making more
> independent each Man's consciousness and intelligence ?
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> 3 Does the Mind-principle in Man reflect the Mind PRINCIPLE
> [consciousness, intelligence and their independent existence in
> NATURE/UNIVERSE ] ?
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> 4 Does the Mind-principle serve as an independent observer, recorder
> and evaluator of the passing events, acts, thoughts of life ?
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> 5 Their ancients posited an immortal Mind/Monad -- a triad of 
> 
> 1 MENTAL INDEPENDENCE, 
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> 2 ACQUIRED WISDOM, and
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> 3 SPIRITUAL PURITY,
> 
> includes intellectual control, a universal purview that includes several
> zones of experience and perception.
> 
> An old Friend once wrote on archetypal virtues:
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> Follow the advice of the Sages. Meditate on the anomalies and miseries of
> our civilization. Discover the root of its maladies. We find that the human
> mind has triumphed be neglecting and defying the moral forces which are at
> work in the universe. 
> 
> This is not generally perceived, and men and their leaders alike are
> deluded. Each presumes that he and his nation or class is following moral
> principles, while they are slaves of passions, prejudices and pelf. 
> 
> Man, the thinker, has not been able to follow the teachings of a long line
> of Sages which state: allow not the force of vice to lead your mind, but so
> educate that mind that it follows the lead of the force of virtue. 
> 
> Knowledge bereft of love, of compassion, of charity, of harmony flourishes
> and mass thought-action stifles the voice of Spirit even in the good
> individual. 
> 
> The Sages and Seers have warned against knowledge, reason and mind bereft of
> moral principles. They have always taught the superiority of moral ideas
> over mental thoughts. They have pointed to the truth of truths that Wisdom
> is Compassion, that Justice is Mercy. 
> 
> Our Divinity is not knowledge-formed but virtue-formed and our vices make us
> demoniac. Is there a better description of the modern man successful in our
> social order than that found in the 16th Discourse of the Gita? 
> 
> Illuminated minds, like Gautama Buddha or the great Shankara, have pointed
> to moral principles as starting points to a life of peace, goodwill and
> wisdom. Jesus, the Jewish Prophets before Him, and those who followed his
> advice and instruction have emphasized the moral life as necessary for
> gaining true knowledge. St. Paul affirmed the superiority of Faith, Hope and
> Charity over all knowledge and in showing "a more excellent way" he exhorted
> us "to covet earnestly the best gifts." 
> 
> Christendom knows Faith, Hope and Charity as theological virtues and there
> are four natural virtues - making in all seven Cardinal Virtues, to which
> are opposed the Seven Deadly Sins. It was probably Augustine who attempted
> to Christianize the four Cardinal Virtues in the teachings of Socrates and
> Plato. They are Higher Wisdom, Courage, Temperance and Justice. The
> Neo-Platonists describe them as "purifications from the lower contagion."
> 
> In the ancient Rig-Veda, virtue is given first place. In the famous hymn (X,
> 129) Kama-Love-Eros is said to be the first movement that arose in the One
> after it had come into life through the power of fervour-abstraction. 
> 
> In the Atharva-Veda we find: "Kama-Deva was born the first. Him neither
> Devas, Pitris, nor men have equaled. Thou art superior to these and for ever
> great." The concept of Kama-Deva has become degraded in the course of
> centuries, like the Eros of Hesiod. 
> 
> With the Seers of the Vedas, Kama-Deva personifies, says H.P. Blavatsky,
> "the first conscious, all-embracing desire for universal good, love, and for
> all that lives and feels, needs help and kindness, the first feeling of
> infinite tender compassion and mercy that arose in the consciousness of the
> creative One Force, as soon as it came into life and being as a ray from the
> Absolute. There is no idea of sexual love in the conception. Kama is
> pre-eminently the divine desire of creating happiness and love." 
> 
> Kama-Deva, Eros, in their original pristine pure sense, personify the
> archetypal Virtue. The Sages do not reject the idea that the virtue-vices of
> the animal-man are relative. But those Sages teach that the relativity of
> conventional morality befogs the mind and keeps man tied to the kingdom of
> animal-man. 
> 
> To become truly human it is necessary to get hold of the important
> philosophical principle that Virtues and Virtue are as definite as
> metaphysical categories of Spirit, Matter, Mind; Light, Darkness, Sight;
> Space, Force, Motion, etc. The animal-man becomes human by discarding
> vicious tendencies and vices; and progresses to divinity by cultivating
> moods of virtue which become his vibhutis - excellencies - fixed and ever
> flashing their radiance of Compassion.
> 
> This Compassion is the archetypal Virtue which manifests as a Trinity of the
> Good, the True, and the Beautiful: out of the first come the moral factors,
> out of the second the intellectual, and their joint action is regenerative
> Beauty which is Joy and Bliss. 
> 
> Wisdom-Compassion is the Soul of all Virtues - be they the Christian and
> Greek Cardinal ones, or virtues of the divine man of the Gita or the six and
> ten Paramitas of the Buddhistic Philosophy. In the Mahayana Book of the
> Golden Precepts this archetypal Virtue is thus described: -
> 
> Compassion is no attribute.
> It is the Law of Laws -
> Eternal Harmony,
> Alaya's Self,
> A shoreless universal essence,
> The Light of everlasting right,
> And Fitness of all things,
> The Law of Love eternal. 
> 
> [BPW -- From "Thus Have I Heard", A P., pp. 283-85.] 
> 
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> 
> Best wishes
> 
> Dallas
> 
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> Subject: Re: Theos-World Dallas, Socrates & Subba Row
> 
> Cass,
> 
> The response given when we queried about the Nous level was that our
> normal 
> every day consciousness, (Patanjali's "conditioned mind" and Scientologies 
> "reactive mind") correspond to Nous level 1. I can agree that
> multidimensional 
> realities seem also to present in entrainment with higher Nous Level as we 
> experienced "time shifting" and other effects that did seem to entail
> dimensional 
> control and use. It is generated as a result of the physical reality of
> birth 
> as a human being and is virtually a new creation in each incarnation 
> somatically and perceptually augmenting it's growth in the physical
> development 
> process. I don't particularly view the Higher Mind as beholden to the lower
> but 
> rather has partial interface with the lower. Just my personal opinion.
> 
> John
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