Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00891)

Cass: Theosophy and Science now agree that everything in the universe
is interrelated, an idea, unheard of in science 25 years ago. Now there
is a search for a Theory of Everything, that can incorporate
quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity.
>
Carlos wrote: So, looking for the subject of reincarnation with this "truth" in 
hands, I 
> get to the conclusion that is not a delirium to accept the "process 
of 
> reincarnation", with all its cycles (Samsara), occuring at another 
place 
> of this "vast", almost "infinite" Universe - at another planet, for 
> example. I bring with me the idea that is a completely limited 
conception 
> the affirmation that reincarnating is only "reincarnating in the 
Earth 
> Planet".

Cass: We need to look at the evolution of the soul, this requires a
a spiritual vehicle and it also requires a planet on which the spiritual
vehicle manifesting in a physical body can survive.  Theosophy, suggests
that there was not one big bang, but many, and it is the inbreathing and
outbreathing of the cosmic father.  The outbreathing is known as the 
Manvantara the inbreathing as the Pralaya.

Bearing this in mind, and also bearing in mind that we commenced our journey
by evolving through the mineral, vegetable and animal kingdoms.  In other words
our consciousness was developed through the mineral, "localisation, or position and
some, but very little, conscious extension.* (the impact of the elements)
in the vegetable kingdom we developed plant consciousness,the rudiments of
sense of feeling consciousness,a one dimensional existence of root, stem
and branches.  When we were animals animal consciousness, to which two dimensions
are objective.  The visual organ of the animal body presents consciousness with 
only a flat picture, and, as the average animal is unaided by an considerable
mental development, perception must necessarily be limited to
height and bredth-the conscious outlook being thus practically superficial.
Then as we evolved to a savage in the human kingdom, self-consciousness, although
latent is in potential.  We find ourselves in a three dimensional world, height, breadth
and depth*  We become self-conscious, with an awareness of ourself. 
consciousness, 
>

>
> Then, my first (1) question:
>
> (1) Reincarnation occurs at other planets? There´s something 
specific, 
> clearly expressed, about this at Blavatsky writings?

Cass: Without going into too much detail, Theosophy states that
some of us existed as animals on the Moon, but this was preceded
by eons of time through, as I said, other kingdoms.  This then
pre-supposes that planets were available for us to reincarnate
upon.

Those that were in human form (although not necessarily copies of
us as we are today) evolved to either Earth or Venus.
>
> The second thing, that seems to be another "truth" in Theosophy, 
again in 
> its more ample sense, and at almost every esoteric literature, is 
that 
> "reincarnating" implies "re-emboding in flesh", in a "physical body", 
> using a "physical matter". Then, my second (2) question:
>
> (2) Reincarnating implies only "re-emboding in flesh", only in a 
"physical 
> body"? There´s a possibility of occuring a "process of reincarnation" 
not 
> in a physical body, using a "physical matter"? There´s something 
specific, 
> clearly expressed, about this at Blavatsky writings?

Cass: Spirit needs form to evolve, the personality of Carlos today
when reincarnating will require a new body, but Carlos will not be a
copy or cloned image of the Carlos of today.  You will reincarnate,
through a human womb, but what you bring with you, is your past experiences
over other lifetimes, although this knowledge is not accessible by your
lower principles, your ego.  If you were able to operate through your causal
body (higher manas) you would have full knowledge of all your experiences (some 
good and some not so good)- hence the reason why our past lives are not accessible
as we may find out things about ourselves we don't really want to deal with in this
lifetime.   It is called Karmic merit or demerit.
>
> Another important fact (there´s others, but I intend not to be 
"boring") 
> is related to the possibility of relationship between different 
points of 
> the Universe, between different Planets for example. Relationships 
based 
> on cooperation, on reciprocal help or not, of course. Venus, as must 
be of 
> your knowledge, had and has a direct relationship with our process of 
> development, with our Earth Planet.

Cass: Theosophy states that Venus is our Elder Sister in the planetary
aspect, and it was the Lords of Venus who incarnated into our humanity
when they were "as gods" and we were "as savages".  From the Lords of Venus
intelligence was hastened.
>
> A person, called "Trigueirinho", that lives here in Brazil and makes 
a 
> unique work in the field of spirituality at this time, gave a lecture 
> (October, 1989) called "Os Seres Mongolóides" ( "Mongoloid Beings" - 
> related to Down's syndrome) , recorded on tape.
>
> On this tape, He says that these beings (not the ones involved in 
karmic 
> processes) are from other planet, and their growing presence on Earth 
> (curiously, the statistics strengthen that) is the beginning of a 
> construction of a "Interplanetary Consciousness", indispensable for 
the 
> future moment. That our consciousness is limited to the cooperation 
> between persons, peoples or nations - a perception held in Earth 
Planet.
>
> But, there´s more... as the Universe is vast and alive. They 
(Mongoloid 
> Beings), he says, come here with the specific purpose of developing 
our 
> sense of Inconditional Love, not the love for a man or women, not the 
love 
> for a friend, for a father or mother, for a brother or sister; but 
the 
> Inconditional Love. The "True Love", the Love for the other, in the 
most 
> pure meaning. Who had or has the opportunity to live together with a 
being 
> like this, understand what is saying.

Cass: Be wary of any channelled messages, as there is no way to verify
their authenticity.
>
> In resume, I think that the "interchange" in this vast Universe is 
not a 
> insane conception, on the contrary, it seems beautiful and melodious 
and 
> could comprises the reincarnation process... Then, my third (3) and 
last 
> question:

Cass: I have no problem with accepting the possibility that we may, one
day interchange with other planetary beings.  We have been doing it with
Angels since day one, and they are also cosmic interplanetary beings although
not part of the human kingdom, but the angelic kingdom.
>
> (3) We can reincarnate at another Planet? Is it possible to 
reincarnate on 
> places different from Earth? There´s something specific, clearly 
> expressed, about this at Blavatsky writings?

Cass: I imagine so, I believe the choice is ours, but is dependant upon
our karmic ties and unfinished karmic business on planet earth.

Hope this helps, please remember, I am not a paragon of truth, and you do
not need to accept as truth, anything I have written, I am writing from my readings
of Theosophy and Neo-platonism and as yet, have not had the pleasure of experiencing
other spiritual entities myself, although I hope to before I pass.





Carlos Paterson <cspn@email.si> wrote: Carlos Aveline,

Is it possible to tell me if the references cited for you ("When We Die" and 
"Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett") clearly approach the questions placed 
for me?

Note: As I�ve emphasized, I have a special interest in Blavatsky�s printed 
works.

Thank you for all,

Carlos Paterson

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "carlosaveline" 
To: "theos-talk" 
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2006 3:27 PM
Subject: Theos-World PATERSON: REINCARNATION


Carlos Paterson,

As to reincarnation, Geoffrey Farthing wrote "When We Die", which exists in 
English and Spanish.

But the best approach possible on reincarnation,  from the highest possible 
source, is still in the "Mahatma Letters to A. P. Sinnett", Chronological 
Edition, which you will find in Portuguese language and was published by the 
Editora Teos�fica, Bras�lia,  in 2001 in two volumes.   I translated and 
edited it.

There is a  very complete and detailed portrait of reincarnation there, 
totally different from what C. W. Leadbeater says... and authentic.

Regards,  Carlos Cardoso Aveline.



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Para:"theos-talk" theos-talk@yahoogroups.com

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Data:Sun, 28 May 2006 13:34:56 -0300

Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Reincarnation - Pan Vision

> Dear Friends,
>
> As I am a beginner in Theosophy, I would like to ask you for permission to 
> make some questions about REINCARNATION. Peharps ingenuous, but something 
> that I do not find in Theosophy Literature, at least where I could contact 
> it.
>
> My intention, if possible, is to obtain the appropriate orientation of you 
> on where (in Theosophy Literature, especially at Blavatsky writings) I can 
> find the specific approach to the series of doubts that I begin to 
> describe:
>
> The first thing (that is a "truth" in Theosophy, in its more ample sense) 
> is that the Universe is alive in all its parts. Repeating: "Alive in all 
> its parts". That there�s no possibility of existing a place empty of life. 
> In every point, in every where, the existence pulses.
>
> So, looking for the subject of reincarnation with this "truth" in hands, I 
> get to the conclusion that is not a delirium to accept the "process of 
> reincarnation", with all its cycles (Samsara), occuring at another place 
> of this "vast", almost "infinite" Universe - at another planet, for 
> example. I bring with me the idea that is a completely limited conception 
> the affirmation that reincarnating is only "reincarnating in the Earth 
> Planet".
>
> Why? Who say that? I think that nobody, especially the Mahatmas, the 
> Masters, the Adepts, with their conceptions impregnated of a living, 
> harmonious and pulsating universe, replete of life. This, of course, is my 
> point of view - a humble one.
>
> Then, my first (1) question:
>
> (1) Reincarnation occurs at other planets? There�s something specific, 
> clearly expressed, about this at Blavatsky writings?
>
> The second thing, that seems to be another "truth" in Theosophy, again in 
> its more ample sense, and at almost every esoteric literature, is that 
> "reincarnating" implies "re-emboding in flesh", in a "physical body", 
> using a "physical matter". Then, my second (2) question:
>
> (2) Reincarnating implies only "re-emboding in flesh", only in a "physical 
> body"? There�s a possibility of occuring a "process of reincarnation" not 
> in a physical body, using a "physical matter"? There�s something specific, 
> clearly expressed, about this at Blavatsky writings?
>
> Another important fact (there�s others, but I intend not to be "boring") 
> is related to the possibility of relationship between different points of 
> the Universe, between different Planets for example. Relationships based 
> on cooperation, on reciprocal help or not, of course. Venus, as must be of 
> your knowledge, had and has a direct relationship with our process of 
> development, with our Earth Planet.
>
> A person, called "Trigueirinho", that lives here in Brazil and makes a 
> unique work in the field of spirituality at this time, gave a lecture 
> (October, 1989) called "Os Seres Mongol�ides" ( "Mongoloid Beings" - 
> related to Down's syndrome) , recorded on tape.
>
> On this tape, He says that these beings (not the ones involved in karmic 
> processes) are from other planet, and their growing presence on Earth 
> (curiously, the statistics strengthen that) is the beginning of a 
> construction of a "Interplanetary Consciousness", indispensable for the 
> future moment. That our consciousness is limited to the cooperation 
> between persons, peoples or nations - a perception held in Earth Planet.
>
> But, there�s more... as the Universe is vast and alive. They (Mongoloid 
> Beings), he says, come here with the specific purpose of developing our 
> sense of Inconditional Love, not the love for a man or women, not the love 
> for a friend, for a father or mother, for a brother or sister; but the 
> Inconditional Love. The "True Love", the Love for the other, in the most 
> pure meaning. Who had or has the opportunity to live together with a being 
> like this, understand what is saying.
>
> In resume, I think that the "interchange" in this vast Universe is not a 
> insane conception, on the contrary, it seems beautiful and melodious and 
> could comprises the reincarnation process... Then, my third (3) and last 
> question:
>
> (3) We can reincarnate at another Planet? Is it possible to reincarnate on 
> places different from Earth? There�s something specific, clearly 
> expressed, about this at Blavatsky writings?
>
>
> That�s all, Friends....
>
>
> Sorry for my "bad" English. I am from Brazil and ask for your 
> comprehension.
>
> Peace,
>
> Carlos Paterson
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