Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00815)

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Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Socrates & the Birth of Philosophy

> Buddhi is above Reason, Carlos
> Cass
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> carlosaveline wrote: ON CHALLENGING ORGANIZED IGNORANCE 
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> Friends,
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> There is no doubt that HPB and the Masters acknowledge the fact that Socrates had an authentic link to his own higher self and other sources of divine inspiration. 
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> That's why Socrates appealed to reason and stimulated people's individual autonomy in the search for truth. 
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> For this he became a scapegoat in his own time, as HPB was a scapegoat in hers, as J-J Rousseau, St. Germain, Giordano Bruno, Alessandro Cagliostro ( and Pythagoras of Samos) were in theirs. 
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> I believe that in a way the Socrates debate has been sealed some time ago here, but studying the scapegoating process is always useful, in whatever time and place. 
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> In "Chelas and Lay Chelas" HPB wrote that each learner MUST challenge the organized ignorance of his own time and place. No other path to go. 
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> Regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
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> Assunto:[Spam] Re: Theos-World Socrates
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> > Thanks Ken, I guess in the words of the master, this seals the debate. I am purely speculating here, but I am thinking that the spiritual test of arrogance is whether or not we can silence the daemon to open up to true universal knowledge. That rather than rely on our daemon, we are able to source the true records in the Akashic should we decide that daemon doesn't necessarily know everything. It would be a true test of humility letting go of a source that ensures we are more knowledgable than the bulk of humanity?
> > 
> > Cheers
> > Cass
> > 
> > "dorjebeto@hotmail.com" wrote: Carlos / Cass - Here are the references for you and other readers from the
> > Mahatma Letters (from the chronological edition) on Socrates:
> > 
> > "Plato was right to readmit every element of speculation which Socrates had
> > discarded. The problems of universal being are not unattainable or
> > worthless if attained." p 400 Letter 117 Dec. 1883 from KH to Sinnett
> > 
> > "Suby Ram�a truly good man�yet a devotee of another error. Not his guru�s
> > voice�his own. The voice of a pure , unselfish, earnest soul, absorbed in
> > misguided, misdirected mysticism. Add to it a chronic disorder in that
> > portion of the brain which responds to clear vision and the secret is soon
> > told: that disorder was developed by forced visions; by hatha yog and
> > prolonged asceticism. S. Ram is the chief medium and at same time the
> > principal magnetic factor, who spreads his disease by
> > infection�unconsciously to himself; who inoculates with his vision all the
> > other disciples. There is one general law of vision physical and mental or
> > spiritual) but there is a qualifying special law proving that all vision
> > must be determined by the quality or grade of man�s spirit and soul, and
> > also by the ability to translate diverse qualities of waves of astral light
> > into consciousness. There is but one general law of life, but innumerable
> > laws qualify and determine the myriad forms perceived and of sounds heard.
> > There are those who are willingly and others who are unwillingly--blind.
> > Mediums belong to the former, sensitives to the latter. Unless regularly
> > initiated and trained--concerning the spiritual insight of things and the
> > supposed revelations made unto man in all ages from Socrates down to
> > Swedenborg and "Fern"-- no self tutored seer or clairaudient ever saw or
> > heard quite correctly." p.98 letter 31 Nov. 1881 Morya to Sinnett
> > 
> > �Conscience, as it was already remarked may be well compared to that demon
> > whose dictates were so zealously listened to and so promptly obeyed by
> > Socrates. Like that demon, conscience may perchance tell us what we must
> > not do; yet it never guides us as to what we ought to perform, nor gives
> > any definite object to our activety. And�nothing can be more easily lulled
> > to sleep and even completely paralyzed, that this same conscience by a
> > trained will stronger than that of its possessor.�
> > 
> > p. 36 letter 11 K.H. to Hume , Dec. 1880
> > 
> > Ken
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > carlosaveline wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > > > Since Socrates of Athens -- Plato's
> > 
> > 
> > > > > > Master -- is a starting point for
> > > > > > Philosophy along with Pythagoras, it it
> > > > > > worthwhile to take a look on what HPB
> > > > > > wrote about him. Three short, but
> > > > > > revealing quotations on him and his
> > > > > > "divine Daimon", as HPB calls it, are
> > > > > > below.
> > > > > > Best regards, Carlos.
> > > > > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ONE
> > > > > >
> > > > > > �Things have strangely altered since the
> > > > > > days of antiquity, when the truly wise
> > > > > > made it their duty to conceal their
> > > > > > knowledge, deeming it too sacred to even
> > > > > > mention before the hoi polloi. While the
> > > > > > medieval Rosecroix, the true philosopher,
> > > > > > keeping old Socrates in mind, repeated
> > > > > > daily that all he knew was that the knew
> > > > > > nothing, his modern self-styled successor
> > > > > > announces in our day, through press and
> > > > > > public, that those mysteries in Nature and
> > > > > > her Occult laws of which he knows nothing,
> > > > > > have never existed at all. There was a
> > > > > > time when the acquirement of Divine Wisdom
> > > > > > (Sapientia) required the sacrifice and
> > > > > > devotion of a man�s whole life. It
> > > > > > depended on such tings as the purity of
> > > > > > the candidate�s motives; on his
> > > > > > fearlessness and independence of spirit;
> > > > > > but now, to receive a patent for wisdom
> > > > > > and adeptship requires only unblushing
> > > > > > impudence.�
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (�Collected Writings of H. P.
> > > > > > Blavatsky�, TPH, Wheaton, USA, volume
> > > > > > XII, 1980, 859 pp., see pp. 314-315.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cass: HPB is referring to Socrates as a
> > > > > > Philosopher, which I agree with, and
> > > > > > quotes Socrates philosophy as all I know
> > > > > > is that I know nothing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TWO
> > > > > >
> > > > > > �From the days of the primitive man
> > > > > > described by the first Vedic poet, down to
> > > > > > our modern poet, there has not been a
> > > > > > philosopher worthy of that name, who did
> > > > > > not carry in the silent sanctuary of his
> > > > > > heart the grand and mysterious truth. If
> > > > > > initiated, he learnt it as a sacred
> > > > > > science; if otherwise, then, like Socrates
> > > > > > repeating to himself, as well as to his
> > > > > > fellow-men, the noble injuction, �O man,
> > > > > > know thyself��, he succeeded in
> > > > > > recognizing his God within himself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cass: Again, she is talking about those
> > > > > > that are initiated and is not specifically
> > > > > > referring to Socrates as the one
> > > > > > initiated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (�Isis Unveiled�, by H. P. Blavatsky,
> > > > > > Theosophical University Press, Pasadena,
> > > > > > California, USA, 1988, two volumes, see
> > > > > > volume II, p. 318. Reproduced by H.P.
> > > > > > Blavatsky in �Collected Writing�, TPH
> > > > > > Wheaton, volume XIV, 1985, 733 pp., see p.
> > > > > > 48.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > THREE
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [For H.P.B., his daimon, spirit, was
> > > > > > divine:]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > �(...) Nor would Socrates have been put
> > > > > > to death, had he kept secret the
> > > > > > revelations of his divine daimon. He knew
> > > > > > how little his century � save those
> > > > > > initiated � would understand his
> > > > > > meaning, had he given all he knew about
> > > > > > the moon. Thus he limited his statements
> > > > > > to an allegory...�
> > > > > >
> > > > > > (�Collected Writings of H. P.
> > > > > > Blavatsky�, TPH, Wheaton, USA, volume
> > > > > > XIV, 1985, 733 pp., see p. 35 , footnote.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cass: He was put to death because he
> > > > > > revealed that all knowledge that he had
> > > > > > came from his divine daimon. She actually
> > > > > > says, "he knew HOW LITTLE, OTHER THAN AN
> > > > > > INITIATE WOULD UNDERSTAND HIS MEANING,
> > > > > > THEREFORE IT WAS AN EXERCISE IN FUTILITY.
> > > > > > AS THERE IS NO POINT IN PREACHING TO THOSE
> > > > > > IN THE KNOW, AND WORSE STILL BREAKING THE
> > > > > > LAW OF SILENCE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > CASS
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