Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00666)

Christina,

No doubt.

She is Scorpio, Ascendant Aquarius, born 16 November.  

She does not defend CWL and most rarely quotes him.  Sincerely devoted to her ideals, no doubt. Accepts an honest talk about the difficulties behind the outer show.   A decent woman, in my experience --  which is a lot to say these days! 

Long time Secretary-General of Indian Section, Adyar TS.  
Eighty-two years old now, she concentrates a lot of power in her hands, which, for some, turns the Adyar TS too dependent on one sole person. 

She has my respect. 

Regards,  Carlos. 

 

  



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Data:Fri, 19 May 2006 13:25:07 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: R. Burnier 7th TS President

> 
> Radha is born in 1923 in Adyar, daughter of N.Shri Ram, the fifth 
> > International president of TS.
> 
> AS I WROTE : N Shri RAM, the 5 th president is just right as you 
> showed too
> There is not standing anything about Radha's number in this case.
> 
> Good she is the Seventh and real it is strong number, for she is 
> choosen again as president and again if she wants to0.
> Greetings Christina,.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Christina,
> > 
> > I gave you all the names of the presidents and clarified Radha is 
> the seventh. N. Sri Ram, her father, was the 5th. 
> > 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Christina,
> > 
> > Thanks for the interesting note on Ms. Radha.
> > 
> > One small thing: she is the seventh (a strong number), not the 
> > fifth Adyar TS International President.
> > 
> > The names are: 
> > 
> > 1) H.S. Olcott; 2) A. Besant; 3) C. Jinarajadasa; 4) G. Arundale; 
> > 5) N. Sri Ram; 6), John Coats; 7) Radha Burnier. 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Fri, 19 May 2006 12:53:01 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Radha Burnier TS President
> > 
> > > Hallo Carlos you read it wrong, her father was the fifth 
> internation 
> > > president, not she.
> > > Greetings Christina.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Christina,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the interesting note on Ms. Radha.
> > > > 
> > > > One small thing: she is the seventh (a strong number), not the 
> > > fifth Adyar TS International President.
> > > > 
> > > > The names are: 
> > > > 
> > > > 1) H.S. Olcott; 2) A. Besant; 3) C. Jinarajadasa; 4) G. 
> Arundale; 
> > > 5) N. Sri Ram; 6), John Coats; 7) Radha Burnier. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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> > > > 
> > > > Data:Fri, 19 May 2006 11:25:19 -0000
> > > > 
> > > > Assunto:Theos-World President Radha Burnier since 1980 of TS .
> > > > 
> > > > > Maybe a peanut the year she started, but I feel to show a 
> short 
> > > > > writing about her career.
> > > > > Radha is born in 1923 in Adyar, daughter of N.Shri Ram, the 
> > > fifth 
> > > > > International president of TS.
> > > > > B.A and M.A in Sanscrit on Hindu University Benares.Became 
> in 
> > > 1984 
> > > > > honorary degree in literature of the Nagarjuna University.
> > > > > She became member of TS in 1935, has been a lot of years 
> > > president 
> > > > > of loges for youngs and adults.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Also as librarian(1945-51) and secretary she worked a lot 
> and as 
> > > > > translator.
> > > > > President of the federation Madras (1959-63)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Head of Kretona (USA) and The Manor of Australia.Since 1960 
> > > member 
> > > > > of the general council.
> > > > > President of the Besant education fellowship and Olcott 
> > > education 
> > > > > sociëty.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Started New life for India movement(1968).
> > > > > Since 1980 International president of TS.
> > > > > Farther she was exponent of Classic Indian dances, with she 
> fill 
> > > a 
> > > > > part in the film "The River"of Jean Renoir.
> > > > > 
> > > > > for the ones are interested for:
> > > > > Greetings Christina
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > According to Daniel Caldwell's theory, SEE BELOW, Besant 
> SD 
> > > was 
> > > > > authentic. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But -- what is the reason, then, why both Boris de Zirkoff 
> and 
> > > > > the Adyar TS did not republish Besant's "Secret Doctrine", 
> but 
> > > > > dropped it, and adopted the original SD edition? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Please consider that only very strong reasons could have 
> made 
> > > > > Adyar TS abandon the edition published by its long-standing 
> > > > > President and ES Outer Head, A. Besant. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It would not make sense to "drop" Besant's Third Volume-- 
> > > > > politically a sensitive decision -- if it had any real 
> > > legitimacy. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It would have been a tremendou irresponsibility on the 
> part of 
> > > > > Boris, to abandon a "legitimate" SD edited by Besant/Mead. 
> And 
> > > we 
> > > > > know he was a most skilled, ethical and responsible editor. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I am thinking from the institutional viewpoint, in order 
> not 
> > > to 
> > > > > have to discuss it paragraph-by-paragraph, since my time is 
> > > limited. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Has Besant's "wonderful job" (as Daniel seems to describe 
> it) 
> > > > > been a victim of some "conspiracy" orquestrated by N. Sri 
> Ram, 
> > > John 
> > > > > Coats and Radha Burnier, the Adyar presidents since the 
> 1960s ?? 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I do not think so. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > And, you see, Boris' work is universally considered 
> reliable. 
> > > > > Dara Eklund, being his long-standing and closest co-worker, 
> can 
> > > only 
> > > > > support Boris' decision to abandon Besant's third volume and 
> > > come 
> > > > > back to the original edition of the SD. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > If people think Besant's 3rd volume is good, then this 
> means a 
> > > > > grave accusation against Boris and Adyar TS presidents. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > That accusation should be made frankly, openly, and in a 
> > > > > responsible way. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now, we have plenty of examples of Adyar TS editorial 
> > > > > irresponsibility in the area of Besant's influence. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Boris, on the other hand, was not an Adyar TS member, I 
> think, 
> > > and 
> > > > > was a serious, scrupulous, responsible editor. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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> > > > > > Data:Thu, 18 May 2006 16:54:04 -0400
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World re deZirkoff 3rd vol SD
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Daniel -
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > yes I know this to be correct and Dara, Nicolas, Gomes, 
> > > Richard 
> > > > > Robb can
> > > > > > > verify this I am sure. The content of the material that 
> > > Besant 
> > > > > collected
> > > > > > > (though, I think in reality GRS Mead was the 3rd volume 
> > > > > editor ?? I have no
> > > > > > > reference at hand, but what do you think ?) was 
> authentic 
> > > > > material left by
> > > > > > > HPB. One theory is that this was going to be re-worked 
> into 
> > > > > the 'real' 3rd
> > > > > > > volume, but HPB never got to it. Another theory is that 
> the 
> > > > > elements of
> > > > > > > the material for vol. 4 of SD is what we find in 
> the 'Key' 
> > > and ' 
> > > > > Voice',
> > > > > > > that is 'practical occultism'...... I realize that many 
> > > points 
> > > > > that I 'take
> > > > > > > for granted' are apparently not well known. I think it 
> is 
> > > good 
> > > > > that you
> > > > > > > clarify these points so students know the facts and then 
> can 
> > > > > draw their own
> > > > > > > conclusions from what really happened.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > PS - did you receive my email ? I do not have your 
> current 
> > > one.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > Data: Thu, 18 May 2006 14:56:39 -0000
> > > > > > > Assunto: Theos-World Boris de Zirkoff used Annie 
> Besant's 
> > > Text
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > It is a fact that can be shown and demonstrated (not 
> just a
> > > > > > > > speculation) that for a considerable portion of the 
> HPB 
> > > text in
> > > > > > > > Collected Writings, Volume XIV, Boris de Zirkoff HAD 
> TO 
> > > pay 
> > > > > attention
> > > > > > > > to and actually USE Annie Besant's text from SD, 
> Volume 
> > > III, 
> > > > > 1897 for
> > > > > > > > the very simple reason that it [Besant's text] is the 
> only 
> > > > > extant
> > > > > > > > text available.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Anything said to the contrary is ignoring the real 
> facts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dara Eklund, Nicholas Weeks, Michael Gomes and other 
> > > informed
> > > > > > > > persons know the above to be true.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Daniel
> > > > > > > 
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