Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00647)

Hallo all,

My views are:

Daniel wrote:
"It is a fact that can be shown and demonstrated (not just a
speculation) that for a considerable part of the HPB text in
Collected Writings, Volume XIV, Mr. de Zirkoff HAD TO pay attention
to and actually USE Besant's text ("piece of museum") for the very
simple reason that it is the only extant text available!!"

Interesting thoughts.
I would say: Available to who?
I ask: The original physical manuscript, which Bertram Keightley and Dr. 
Archibald Keightley
read is lost for ever? Where is the evidence on that?
Yet, we aught also to remember, that the original is forver
available in the non-physical Akasha library.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "danielhcaldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Theos-World The basic question is what text did de Zirkoff DEPEND 
on?


Carlos,

You write:

=====================================================
Whatever long-winded speculations about this and that particular
paragraph having being transcribed from here or there, the facts
remain:

1) Zirkoff is reliable;

2) I quoted from Zirkoff;

3) Third Volume, A.  Besant's SD is not reliable,  and was abandoned
even by Adyar --  now you please imagine what about the rest of the
movement! So,  why insist with historical rubbish?  No one reads
AB's Secret Doctrine, as long as I know.
==================================================================

Yes Carlos I know that you quoted from de Zirkoff, that is you
quoted from CW, Vol. XIV.

But the question is:

For the specific text about Julian and Socrates, on what source or
version did Mr. de Zirkoff DEPEND for HIS transcription and version?

PLEASE NOTE:

There are ONLY two sources still extant:  the 1886 text and the 1897
text that Mr. de Zirkoff could use.

See the 3 colored columns for the specific text at:

http://blavatskyarchives.com/3comparisonssocrates.htm

I ask you Carlos and any other interested readers:

Compare the 3rd column (purple text - de Zirkoff version) with BOTH
the 2nd column text (green text - Besant version) AND the 1st column
text (yellow text -Wurzburg) version.

Which version Besant or Wurzburg did de Zirkoff rely on?

Which version green or yellow did de Zirkoff use?

And Carlos, when you write:

===========================================================
Daniel is the Last Mohican of Besant's "Secret Doctrine". See below.
No one else, that I know, pays attention to that piece of museum.
===========================================================

But the basic question was NOT what text I would pay attention to,
it was what text did Mr. de Zirkoff PAY ATTENTION TO  and also USE
in HIS version of Julian and Socrates as found in CW, Vol. XIV?

It is a fact that can be shown and demonstrated (not just a
speculation) that for a considerable part of the HPB text in
Collected Writings, Volume XIV, Mr. de Zirkoff HAD TO pay attention
to and actually USE Besant's text ("piece of museum") for the very
simple reason that it is the only extant text available!!

Daniel
http://hpb.cc








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