Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00556)

Dear Cass, Dear Friends, 

Thank you, Cass.

I think  it is significant that you say this: 

"Daniel has not presented an alternative theory for Theosophy. He deals with rumour, innuendo and gossips. It's up to the reader to decipher who is telling the truth and who is not."

This is a illuminating  case, perhaps,  with regard to the "regulation" of our group. 

Will these words above be construed as an unbearable or untheosophical personal criticism of Daniel Caldwell, or accepted as a simple assessment of facts, as I believe they are? 

Here we come to the regulation problem. 

This is one thing. In Brazil, it was said -- during the years of grassroots  resistance to the military regime -- that "self-censorship" (on the part of each journalist) was  much worse than actual military control in the newsrooms.  

To me, to say that  the Blavatsky Archives Online deal with innuendo and gossips is no more than the exercise of liberty of thought --  or the liberty of stating objective facts, as some would say.  

The other point I would like to make, Cass, refers to Soloviof and the two Coulombs. 

In fact, HPB cared much about the three of them.  Almost too much. 

She fought as she could for her honour.  She got ill because of the attacks, and so on. I brought here some of the many bitter, but true things she wrote about both Soloviof and the Coulombs. She was a poor, un-married woman being attacked in ther 19 century by governments and more than one dogmatic religion. 

On the other hand, the revival and re-circulation of those libels as if they had been written by herself (!!)  is something which has been, for instance, disapproved of by Mrs. Radha Burnier, international president of the same Society whose international vice-president, John Algeo, actually published the lies.  This was in a 2004 letter to me, published both in FOHAT and in "The Aquarian Theosophist".  And at least in more document, whose text is NOT available. 

Slandering the main founder has, no doubt, importance. The question whether H.P.B. was or not a decent woman, an honest person, makes a lot of difference for the movement and for students.  

I wonder whether Theos-talk members have  been or will be prohibited from discussing this and other matters. I think not. Perhaps Eldon can clarify.  

Best regards in all liberty,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline 

 





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Data:Sat, 13 May 2006 17:27:56 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World To Cass on Opus Dei

> Fiction and Fable are close cousins. Within all fables are seeds of truth, it is up to the reader to decipher the codes. I believe Don researched this project well and came up with an alternative theory in regard to the bloodline of Christ. Whether it is fiction or not Opus Dei nor the Jesuits can have a story getting out that states their superstar Jesus was not crucified as this makes him a man and not the son of god. No crucifixion, no church.
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> Daniel has not presented an alternative theory for Theosophy. He deals with rumour,innuendo and gossips. It's up to the reader to decipher who is telling the truth and who is not. In the long term what good has it done Christianity by hiding the alternative bibles of the Gnostics. The discovery of the Nag Hammad, the Bible of Jesus is showing us the fraud that was perpetrated 2000 years ago.
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> Every good society needs a doubting Thomas in order to ensure that the truth, the whole truth, surrounding the events, are brought out into the open. Pretending these events did not happen is akin to covering up a lie. (The lie that there were those who opposed HPB>) Nothing wrong with that, why would HPB worry about Coloumb and Solovief when she had the Holy Roman Church to topple.
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> Cheers
> Cass
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> carlosaveline wrote: 
> Cass,
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> Will you help us by saying why Daniel's position viz a viz "The Da Vinci Code", is similar to the Opus Dei's position? See this below. Carlos. 
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> THE DA VINCI CODE AND H.P.B. 
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> Dear Friends,
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> Art changes the world. 
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> Fiction often reveals deeper facts than the conventional descriptions of reality, because these are normally controlled by centralized power-mechanisms, be them �scholarly�, �political� or �religious�. 
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> Thus, the �Da Vinci Code� controversy has been a tool by which the reality of Jesuitism/OpusDeism gets better known by the wide public. 
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> H. P. Blavatsky wrote that the �political� and �occult� scheme organized by Jesuits is of no small proportions. In fact, the Roman Catholic Church is even now a worldwide cultural and religious institution of great power to control people�s minds, though it was much more so in the 19th century.
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> H.P.B. wrote:
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> �....... It would be well perhaps, if the Jesuits contented themselves with making dupes of Freemasons and opposing the Theosophists and Occultists using for it the Protestant clergy as �cat�s paw�.�
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> Here, HPB is saying that the Protestant Rev. George Patterson, of the Christian College in Madras, was used by the Jesuits in his campaign against Theosophy. There are wide sections of the Protestant world that do play the Vatican game. For instance, in the 1930s and 1940s Germany, Catholics and Protestants both gave their suppor to A. Hitler. In India, in the 1880s, both agreed to fight Theosophy by all means. 
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> Describing the Jesuitical plans, HPB proceeds: 
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> �But their plottings have a much wider scope, and embraced a minuteness of detail and care of which the world in general has no idea. Everything is done by them to bring the mass of mankind again to the state of passive ignorance which they well know is the only one which can help them to the consummation of their purpose of Universal Despotism.� (1) 
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> An investigation on present-day Opus Day -- an organization which imitates Masonry (2) -- might give us some more light on the subjetc, and help us clear our vision regarding the future. 
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> Best regards, Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
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> NOTE: 
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> (1) �The Letters of H. P. Blavatsky to A. P. Sinnett�, T.U. P. , Pasadena, CA, USA, 1973, see p. 230. 
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> (2) According to an October 2002 article by Juan Goytisolo in �Le Monde Diplomatique�, Paris, p. 30. 
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> Data:Fri, 12 May 2006 18:24:44 -0700 (PDT)
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> Assunto:Re: Theos-World Opus Dei and the code of conduct
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> > Thanks Morten for bringing this to my attention. Perhaps Carlos would be better suited to address the real enemies of theosophy, viz the Jesuits and Opus Dei? Theosophy will do itself no good by pretending that there were no "bad apples" in it's past.
> > Cass
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> > "M. Sufilight" wrote: Hallo all,
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> > My views are:
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> > The following about Opus Dei might be helpful.
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> > "There is no question that the organization has members operating at the highest Vatican levels, suggesting ultra-conservative influences on policy. Joaquin Navarro-Valls, for instance -- director of the Vatican Press Office under John Paul II and re-appointed by the current Pope -- has been called the most visible representative of the Church in Rome after the Pope. Navarro-Valls has been a numerary of Opus Dei (that is, one of those who commit to celibacy and self-mortification) since the 1970s."
> > http://www.canada.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=db572eef-929e-4986-954f-b4ad923a01e3
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