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Christina & The Netherlands

May 12, 2006 12:09 PM
by carlosaveline


Christina,


Thanks. 

Greetings to the Netherlands, a most beautiful country with a nice, friendly people.  

Regards,  Carlos. 


Carlos. 


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Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 20:09:55 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: Christina & How Many Lives?

> Thanks, Carlos;
> 
> I know what is zen- zen zin and zen onzin we said in Dutch language, 
> also one have wrtitten a book with that title.
> 
> means zen sense and zen non sense.
> 
> Is it not possibly in a certain stage of attainment to choose for 
> the path on earth out of responsability for others
> .
> 
> how to get liberation? I think not to get, but one have it or not
> and maybe some ones need to get.
> christina
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Christina, 
> > 
> > Thanks! 
> > 
> > First, I cannot resist repeating my point: 
> > 
> > Yes, as you say, "shatsampatti and vairâgya(sometimes) can be 
> difficult, but WE BOTH think all is possible in one life, provided 
> we know how". 
> > 
> > Yet, dear Christina, how many one-pointed lives are necessary to 
> KNOW HOW to get to Liberation? 
> > 
> > Quite a few. I do not use this as a tamasic excuse. Take my word 
> for that. V. of the S. gives an average number of lives -- AFTER a 
> certain stage is attained... 
> > 
> > As to "Zen", the word is a Japanese adaptation of Chinese "Ch'an", 
> which on its turn comes from "Jnana" and "Dzyan". 
> > 
> > Best regards and always nice to talk to you, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 19:40:06 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Christina & Enlightenment
> > 
> > > -Carlos, what is ZEN = nothing or NO THING.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Who is telling us a few lives?
> > > Who has come back to inform that?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > shatsampatti and vairâgya(sometimes) can be difficult,
> > > but I think all is possible in one life, provided we know how.
> > > christina.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Christina,
> > > > 
> > > > The problem with the sudden enlightenment Zen is that 
> > > enlightenment can be sudden -- but you must quietly practice the 
> way 
> > > quite a few lives, before you get to it....
> > > > 
> > > > So the way can be said to be long....
> > > > 
> > > > Minor insights can be attained more easily, though, can't 
> they? 
> > > > 
> > > > Carlos. 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > Cópia:
> > > > 
> > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 19:07:38 -0000
> > > > 
> > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Christina, Vairagya & Viveka
> > > > 
> > > > > -Carlos. I think it is a long way to Sâdhanâchatushtaya
> > > > > 
> > > > > greetings Christina.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Christina,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Thanks. Real nice to talk to you.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Life taught me people do not have to have any bad 
> intentions 
> > > to 
> > > > > make absurdities and injustices. In fact, bad intentions are 
> > > really 
> > > > > rare facts.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Yet good intentions without Vairagya -- and therefore with 
> > > scarce 
> > > > > Viveka -- 
> > > > > > are most common. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > But people improve and learn. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:53:12 -0000
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Christina on Katinka
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Carlos. on that net of her she have English as well as 
> Dutch 
> > > > > > > literature published.
> > > > > > > But I can say I never follow her, because she is not in 
> my 
> > > > > interest.
> > > > > > > greetings Christina.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Christina, 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Thanks for the info. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I will look for Katinka in the future, if I have the 
> time 
> > > and 
> > > > > > > think it worthwhile. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > So far, I would welcome her presence here. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I guess you are absolutely right about people who, as 
> you 
> > > > > > > say, "take the power (authority) to them with all kind 
> of 
> > > > > nonsense". 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > As to me, I am reasonably interested in what goes one 
> in 
> > > the 
> > > > > > > movement and enjoy practising some English, while 
> exchanging 
> > > > > views 
> > > > > > > with friends. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:35:49 -0000
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: To Christina on the Funny 
> Letter
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > Hi Carlos;
> > > > > > > > > There are a lot of persons in TS , who pretented to 
> be 
> > > > > > > theosophist, 
> > > > > > > > > but they only are philosophs.
> > > > > > > > > It is up to us to make discernments.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > By the way, she is a young woman(teacher out of 
> work) 
> > > who 
> > > > > have 
> > > > > > > her 
> > > > > > > > > own group at yahoo under the names:
> > > > > > > > > groups.yahaoo.com/group/theosophie-groep and
> > > > > > > > > groups.yahoo.com/group/hermes
> > > > > > > > > and maybe a lot more and she also have her own work 
> or 
> > > > > changed 
> > > > > > > work 
> > > > > > > > > of TS under www. katinkahesselink.net/
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > There you can contact here and ask for her vieuw.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > But I can say I never be interested of vieuws of 
> others, 
> > > I 
> > > > > > > search 
> > > > > > > > > for the first hand knowledge and not from others who 
> > > take 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > > > power 
> > > > > > > > > (authority) to them with all kind of nonsense.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > greetings Christina.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Christina, 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I wish Katinka were here to explain her views. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > I am not at home now, so I do not have the letter 
> > > > > verbatim. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > It is a letter recently published in FOHAT in 
> which, 
> > > > > repeating 
> > > > > > > > > Paul Johnson and Daniel Caldwell, Katinka suggests 
> HPB 
> > > faked 
> > > > > > > > > phenomena. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Now, Paul Johnson and Daniel Caldwell have several 
> > > things 
> > > > > in 
> > > > > > > > > common, one of them being they both admit they are 
> NOT 
> > > > > > > theosophists.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Katinka and Algeo say they are theosophists. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 18:17:44 -0000
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > Assunto:Theos-World Re: Katinka's Letter Good for 
> > > Laughing
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Carlos; -Now you make me awake
> > > > > > > > > > > About what letter it was going?
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > I know a lot of certain TS persons are as 
> > > manipulative 
> > > > > as 
> > > > > > > what, 
> > > > > > > > > so 
> > > > > > > > > > > what letter brings unfair information?
> > > > > > > > > > > Greetings Christina.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > 
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> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Chuck,
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > You say Katinka's letter must be good. It was.
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Good for laughing. And false, too. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, Carlos. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > De:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Cópia:
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 13:15:09 EDT
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Assunto:Re: Theos-World Carlos brings up 
> Katinka
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/11/2006 10:50:27 AM 
> Central 
> > > > > > > Standard 
> > > > > > > > > Time, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > danielhcaldwell@ writes:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > What has she written that puts her
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the same category as Algeo, Johnson and 
> > > Caldwell??
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It must have been good, whatever it was.
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