Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00361)

Daniel,

Thanks again. 

The points you make below are irrelevant to the discussion.

I showed the ETS'  goals and practice are utterly different and directly opposed to yours.

The real point is that you are metaphorically circulating false dollars and poison among people. Aren't you?

The Coulombs at least got their bribe. 


Best regards, Carlos. 


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Assunto:[Spam] Theos-World Carolos on "To Daniel on the False Dollars"

> Carlos,
> 
> Thanks for your email with the above title.
> 
> You write in part:
> 
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> If that makes you happy, I believe it was a mistake. A mistake 
> because the ETS did not and could not foresee that those things 
> would get to YOUR HANDS, or that you would start making propaganda 
> of them.
> 
> ....But how could the ETS imagine you would do such an absurd?
> 
> It is easier to see things after they occur...
> 
> ............Unfortunately, you got the text and immediately started 
> to make propaganda of the Coulombs."
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> 
> Carlos, I should point out that CONTRARY to what you assume
> above, I had copies of the Coulomb pamphlet in MY HANDS many years 
> before ETS reprinted their edition.
> 
> Many many years ago Walter Carrithers sent me a copy of the
> Coulomb pamphlet. I also had a photocopy of the copy
> apparently that belonged to G. de Purucker. And I also
> had it on microfilm.
> 
> In the 1991 edition of my book then titled THE OCCULT WORLD
> OF MADAME BLAVATSKY, I quote from the Coulomb pamphlet. And
> I believe this was years before ETS reprinted the said pamphlet.
> 
> So your reconstruction of history here is well let us say not
> too accurate.
> 
> But thanks anyway for your admission. :)
> 
> And for the record I do not think ETS made a mistake at all in
> reprinting the Coulomb pamphlet. 
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Daniel,
> > 
> > OK. I see.
> > 
> > I do not think it was a fortunate thing to make ( as the ETS did ) 
> even a very limited edition xerox copy of Emma Coulomb' s libels, 
> without adding to the same volume the right identification of its 
> content and complete documents showing that it was a collection of 
> forgeries. 
> > 
> > If that makes you happy, I believe it was a mistake. A mistake 
> because the ETS did not and could not foresee that those things 
> would get to YOUR HANDS, or that you would start making propaganda 
> of them. 
> > 
> > We all make mistakes. I realize that looking at myself, and at my 
> friends. 
> > 
> > But how could the ETS imagine you would do such an absurd? 
> > 
> > It is easier to see things after they occur... 
> > 
> > Now, the ETS -- and FOHAT -- is completely engaged in defending 
> HPB and Judge from your policy of circulating libels. Tirelessly so. 
> > 
> > Whereas you are going to the lay and wide public, as much as you 
> can, with those lies. 
> > 
> > The ETS wanted only to preserve the forgeries as documents. 
> Coulomb's text could be useful in the future for people to know what 
> actually were the lies against HPB and with what techniques 
> slanderers worked in the 19th century.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, you got the text and immediately started to make 
> propaganda of the Coulombs.
> > 
> > But the Coulombs at least got their Holy Bribe. 
> > 
> > While you have to take the money from your own pockets ir order to 
> make propaganda of the slanderers among the wide public. 
> > 
> > Congratulations for your generosity, 
> > 
> > Carlos Cardoso Aveline. 
> > 
> > 
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> > Data:Thu, 11 May 2006 16:30:46 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Carlos on False dollar bills & poisons and ETS 
> reprint of the Coulomb pamphlet
> > 
> > > Carlos,
> > > 
> > > You write to me:
> > > 
> > > ============================================================
> > > You should make false dollar bills circulate, so that people 
> > > have a chance to freely decide which are true, which are false.
> > > 
> > > In a drug store, your should deliver both medicines and poisons 
> > > to people, without labeling them correctly, so that they have 
> > > a chance to choose which onethey like better.
> > > 
> > > Think about that.
> > > ===========================================================
> > > 
> > > Ok Carlos thinking about the above, the following has occurred
> > > to me.
> > > 
> > > Now when you initially criticized my book and the TPH Wheaton
> > > for publishing my book, I pointed out that the Edmonton 
> Theosophical
> > > Society actually reprinted the COMPLETE Coulomb book.
> > > 
> > > Now I believe Bruce said well maybe only 20 research libraries 
> > > received copies of this reprint of the whole Coulomb text 
> whereas 
> > > apparently since my book would be circulated to a much larger 
> > > audience, there was a difference.
> > > 
> > > If I have mistated his argument, I'm sure he will correct me.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, taking the examples you give above of circulating false 
> > > dollar bills and delivering both medicines and poisons without 
> > > labeling them correctly, isn't the Edmonton Theosophical Society 
> by 
> > > publishing the whole Coulomb book, aren't they also guilty 
> > > of "circulating false dollar bills" and of delivering poisons 
> > > without labelling them correctly? 
> > > 
> > > No where in the Coulomb reprint is there a warning that what is 
> > > written is false or poisonous.
> > > 
> > > Now Bruce's argument is that well only maybe 20 research 
> libraries 
> > > got the Coulomb book, (that is, according to you , the false 
> dollar 
> > > bills and the poison) but the question still remains HOW MANY 
> > > inquirers and new students to Theosophy may encounter this 
> Edmonton 
> > > Theosophical Society reprint of the Coulomb book in one of these 
> > > libraries? Is Bruce telling us that new students, inquirers 
> never 
> > > go to these libraries and use the material? 
> > > 
> > > IF the Coulomb material is really poisonous (I'm here using your 
> > > example) then it would seem to me that the Edmonton Theosophical 
> > > Society is also helping to circulate such counterfeit bills and 
> such 
> > > poisons to the patrons and library users at these institutions 
> and 
> > > furthermore there are no editorial remarks anywhere in this 
> reprint 
> > > warning readers that anything in the pamphlet might 
> be "poisonous" 
> > > or counterfeit.
> > > 
> > > Also following up your suggestion to think, IF I remember 
> correctly
> > > the Coulomb book was offered for sale in FOHAT magazine. Again I 
> do 
> > > not remember any note in FOHAT warning that said book was 
> > > counterfeit or poisonous, no warning at all as far as I 
> remember. 
> > > Apparently readers could just send the proper amount of money 
> and 
> > > they received a copy. Also as far as I can remember there was no 
> > > note in FOHAT stating that inquirers and new students could NOT 
> > > purchase this Coulomb volume. So if only one inquirer or new 
> > > student bought a copy and FOHAT magazine did not warn them that 
> said 
> > > volume contained false material, counterfeit, poisonous, etc., 
> well, 
> > > what conclusion could be drawn???? :) 
> > > 
> > > I'm sure Bruce will correct me if I'm wrong on any point in this 
> > > FOHAT example.. 
> > > 
> > > Anyway Carlos:
> > > 
> > > THINK ABOUT ALL OF THE ABOVE.
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > http://hpb.cc
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