Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00174)

Daniel,

Thanks for your anwer.

Although I quoted Tillett saying Algeo's Committe was a puppett group,
these were  his words, not mine. 

I think you may know, up to a certain extent,  what you are doing --  which I don't mean as a compliment.   

Regards,  Carlos. 


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Data:Sat, 06 May 2006 17:14:21 -0000

Assunto:Theos-World Re: John Algeo's Puppets?

> Carlos,
> 
> You want me to answer that question?
> 
> Well, as I said below, I worked with and assisted
> John Cooper in various ways with the letters project.
> So maybe someone like you might say I was Cooper's
> "puppet."
> 
> I simply did the same thing with Algeo: worked with
> and assisted him on the letters by contributing comments,
> information, etc.
> 
> As far as I know, I helped Algeo in the same way I helped
> Cooper. Therefore if you want to call me Cooper's puppet
> or Algeo's puppet, then fine. But I don't view it that way.
> 
> Remember also that Dara Eklund would therefore be one of
> Algeo's puppets according to Tillet's phrase if he was
> referring to the people who helped Dr. Algeo on the letters
> project.
> 
> Daniel
> http://hpb.cc
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> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "carlosaveline" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> > 
> > Daniel Caldwell, a member of John Algeo's "Editorial Committee"
> > for the HPB Letters, has asked Gregory Tillett whether he, 
> Daniel, is, or was, a puppet. SEE BELOW. 
> > 
> > An interesting question, yet to be answered. Daniel himself could 
> try and answer that question for us. Is he a puppett? After all, he 
> should know more about that then Tillett. 
> > 
> > Daniel's words to Tillett: 
> > 
> > "5) And who are the "puppets" that you are referring to?
> > Is this a somewhat "negative" term used to describe the
> > persons on the Letters' commmittee? And since I was on that
> > committee does that mean I was a "puppet"? And when I was
> > working with and assisting John Cooper on the letters, was I
> > his "puppet"? And why call Dara Eklund Algeo's "puppet"? She
> > was the editor of several volumes of the CW series and worked
> > with Boris de Zirkoff. Was Dara Boris' puppet, too? Why use
> > this term to describe the said individuals? Is this a term you 
> > would use for example in an article in THEOSOPHICAL HISTORY?"
> > 
> > So far, Daniel's questions. His whole letter to Tillett is below. 
> > 
> > Best regards, Carlos. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > Para:theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
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> > Cópia:
> > 
> > Data:Fri, 21 Apr 2006 16:32:16 -0000
> > 
> > Assunto:Theos-World Some more Questions for Gregory Tillett
> > 
> > > Gregory, you wrote:
> > > 
> > > ====================================================
> > > The claim that John's research was not included in 
> > > the Algeo volume is – let me use plain language – 
> > > a blatant, scandalous and bare-faced lie. I have 
> > > beside me as I write (i) the Algeo volume, (ii) 
> > > John's PhD thesis on the Blavatsky letters and (iii) 
> > > a copy of the manuscript sent by John to the TPH 
> > > before his death. If I compare them I find sentence 
> > > after sentence reproduced but for a word or two.
> > > Does anyone seriously believe that, between the 
> > > time of John's death and the publication of the Algeo 
> > > volume, the complete text was re-researched and
> > > created anew? Including letters that John had 
> > > discovered? Without any reliance on John's work, 
> > > Algeo or his puppets, acting independently, just 
> > > happened to find the same material?
> > > ==================================================
> > > 
> > > I believe a few points of clarification are needed in order
> > > to avoid any possible misunderstandings:
> > > 
> > > (1) When you write:
> > > 
> > > "If I compare them I find sentence 
> > > after sentence reproduced but for a word or two."
> > > 
> > > Now are you telling your readers on Theos-Talk that
> > > you find sentence after sentence of John Cooper's
> > > editorial COMMENTS/commentary reproduced in the
> > > TPH Wheaton volume with only a word of two changed
> > > here and there?
> > > 
> > > (2)And could you provide us with a small number of examples
> > > illustrating this point of yours?
> > > 
> > > (3) Concerning your statement which reads:
> > > 
> > > "Including letters that John had discovered?"
> > > 
> > > there are 136 letters in the published TPH Wheaton
> > > volume.
> > > 
> > > How many of these letters did John himself discover?
> > > Do you know which ones in the TPH volume fall under
> > > this category of "John discovered" as opposed to what
> > > was already in the Boris de Zirkoff collection or available
> > > thru other published sources known by Algeo independently of
> > > the Cooper MSS?
> > > 
> > > (4) Again you write:
> > > 
> > > "....the complete text was re-researched and created anew?"
> > > 
> > > By "complete text" what do you mean? Does the complete
> > > text include all of the letters provided FROM the Boris de
> > > Zirkoff collection at Wheaton TS? And what particular letters in 
> > > this published Wheaton TPH volume were provided to the complete 
> text 
> > > by Cooper himself? etc. etc. 
> > > 
> > > (5) And who are the "puppets" that you are referring to?
> > > Is this a somewhat "negative" term used to describe the
> > > persons on the Letters commmittee? And since I was on that
> > > committee does that mean I was a "puppet"? And when I was
> > > working with and assisting John Cooper on the letters, was I
> > > his "puppet"? And why call Dara Eklund Algeo's "puppet"? She
> > > was the editor of several volumes of the CW series and worked
> > > with Boris de Zirkoff. Was Dara Boris' puppet, too? Why use
> > > this term to describe the said individuals? Is this a term you 
> > > would use for example in an article in THEOSOPHICAL HISTORY?
> > > 
> > > (6) And since you say you have documents (i), (ii) and (iii),
> > > shouldn't you also be comparing all of these with document (iv) 
> > > [which consists of all the photocopies that TPH Wheaton 
> originally 
> > > gave to John Cooper from the Boris de Zirkoff collection of 
> H.P.B.'s 
> > > letters]?? Wouldn't these photocopies (which make up document 
> iv) 
> > > help one to determine what was available at Wheaton to Algeo?
> > > 
> > > These are the types of questions that need to be answered so 
> readers 
> > > will be in a better position to assess what you have written and 
> > > come to some more or less correct understanding of the issues 
> > > involved.
> > > 
> > > Daniel
> > > 
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