Theos-Talk Archives (May 2006 Message tt00125)

Dear Cass,

Thanks. 

Here, below, youj can see HPB's real opinion and commentaries on the circulation of slanders.

I hope this helps clarify the issue.  Regards,  Carlos. 


H.P.B. MEASURES BRAIN ACTIVITY IN SLANDERERS 
 
 
Dear Friends, 
 
 
In her famous text “Why I Do Not Return to India”,  H. P. Blavatsky  evaluates  the aactual level of  brain activity in the case of  some  “pandits” and “scholars” who believe that she “may have been a Russian Spy”.  The assessment can  apply to the  recent examples of  Daniel Calwell and John Algeo. 
 
H.P.B. says: 
 
“For the Russian spy theory, if it still finds credit in some idiotic  heads, has long ago disappeared, at any rate from the official brains of the Anglo-Indians.”
 
Let’s take a look now at the broader context of her  words:  
 
“As for myself, who can charge me with having acted like an impostor? with having,  for instance, taken one single pie from any living soul? With having ever asked for money, or even with having accepted it,  notwithstanding that I was repeatedly offered large sums! Those who, in spite of this, haven chosen to think otherwise, will have to explain what even my traducers of even the Padri class and the Psychical Research Society have been unable to explain to this day, viz., the motive for  such a fraud. They will have to explain why, instead of taking and making money, I gave away to the Society  every penny I earned by writing for  the papers, why at  the same time I nearly killed myself with overwork and incessant labour year after year, until my health gave way, so that but for my Master’s repeated help, I should have died long ago from the effects of such voluntary hard labour.  For the Russian spy theory, if it still finds credit in some idiotic  heads, has long ago disappeared, at any rate from the official brains of the Anglo-Indians.” (1) 
 
 
H.P.B. ends the text by mentioning “those few true Theosophists who have remained loyal throughout,  and bid defiance to all calumniators and  ambitious malcontents – both without and within the  Theosophical  Society”. 
 
She knew there were calumniators inside the movement.  Does  the problem date from her time, then? Yes, and it  includes many other times and places, too. 
 
In fact, the symbolic presence of a Judas among the twelve apostles of the New Testament represents a much  deeper and broader challenge than just  a personal problem to be faced by  Jesus. 
 
Loyalty to others –  as Shakespeare wrote in the Act I  of his  “Hamlet”  – depends on being loyal to oneself. 
 
Best regards,   Carlos Cardoso Aveline 
 
 
NOTE:
 
(1) “Why I Do Not Return To India”, H.P. Blavatsky, published in “Collected Writings”, TPH, volume  XII, 1980, pp. 161-162.  Also “Theosophy”, a monthly magazine, Los Angeles, USA,  May 1947, pp. 295-296.  Written in April 1890, the text was an Open Letter to all theosophists in India, published originally. 


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Data:Thu, 4 May 2006 17:09:20 -0700 (PDT)

Assunto:Re: Theos-World The Tabloid Approach of Things

> Not exactly Carlos, Daniel has posted HPB's responses, which in effect is giving both sides of the story. I guess the only ones to know the truth are those that were involved in it. I have formed my own opinion based on the evidence that has been forwarded to me, HPB would have asked no more than that. It appears also you want to shoot the messenger? Your disappointment would be better directed to slandering Coloumb and Soloviof. Why not try to do a background check on these guys?
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> Dear Friends,
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> Things out of context, and concerning inter-personality relationhips dating more than one hundred years a go, are tabloid gossips, only slightly out-dated. 
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> If there is a historical interest in these facts, one should consider the historical context. 
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> For instance, we have a considerable amount of small evidences -- some harder, some not so -- that Daniel has a policy of sowing dissent, using as a tactics out-of-context statements about who-said-so-while-that-other-guy said-that-other-thing. 
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> For instance, he will bring Soloviof and the Coulombs here, but I don't see him quoting much of HPB on her slanderers. And she wrote a lot, about them. 
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> The matter of the fact is that W. Judge was loyal to himself and to HPB up to the end. Sylvia Cranston's book "HPB" and Ernest Pelletier's book "The Judge Case" gives us the whole context of those decisive years, 1875-1896 and after. Other books are also useful. "The Theosophical Movement", published by ULT associates, is unfortunately unavaible as long as I know. 
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> Best regards, Carlos. 
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> Assunto:Theos-World For Carlos & Other readers: Did H.P.B. write this letter to Judge in May 1885?
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> > For Carlos & Other readers: Did H.P.B. write the following letter 
> > to Judge in 1885? or is this a forgery too?
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> > I give only portions of letter.
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> > Compare the below (HPB to WQJ) to what HPB wrote to Solovyoff in May 
> > 1885 (that I previously quoted).
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> > My Dear Judge,
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> > ... To begin with: if I did not write to you (or Olcott either) it 
> > is not because, as you satirically remark in your letter to him 
> > [Hartmann] , of Feb. 25th � (which he received at Naples and gave to 
> > me, I have it before me) � we received "orders" from Master "not to 
> > write" to you, and that it would be in the case we told him so 
> > a "fabrication of one or both"�
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> > �Indeed, indeed, you must be thoroughly under his [Hartmann's] 
> > influence yet, since you think and say of your best & truest 
> > friends, what you do, in this letter to the Doctor!...
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> > �Yet you believed and said anything about us, while we remained 
> > always true to you, and if Olcott has anything against you in his 
> > heart, as well as myself � it is only profound sorrow for the loss 
> > of one whom we have ever regarded as a staunch & true friend. This 
> > is the difference between us Judge�.
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> > You call Damodar a liar. He is a Hindu, a chela, secretive, cautious 
> > & trembling to say more than he is permitted. Never a purer, nobler 
> > or more self-sacrificing soul breathed on this earth. . . .
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> > �.Beware of Hartmann. Even were you to show or tell him of this 
> > letter I do not care an halfpenny damn for him, or anyone else. If 
> > he had known and understood me I would have made an Occultist of 
> > him. He was & is false to me as to every one else. I would not 
> > believe, much less trust him on his oath. He believes like Olcott 
> > used to and you sometimes also that I am usually a "shell" which 
> > becomes good for something only when some one else enters it. 
> > Believe what you please. But know that I am ever faithful to my 
> > friends & remain grateful for the little they may do for me even 
> > when they become enemies. Oh gods what a dirty world what false 
> > people! Look at Mrs. Holloway. Do you still admire her?...
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> > �What you mean in your letter to H[artmann]. by saying that you "hit 
> > upon another little matter which places the leaders in the position 
> > that either great lies have been told or Mahatmas are absolutely 
> > useless as guides" � is a mystery to me. What is it that "happened 
> > in London & involved the reception of numerous letters from both 
> > Mahatmas" and that Mohini, the Arundales, O. and HPB know all about 
> > it."?. . . I do not know what you mean. If you are still a friend 
> > you will write to me & say it; if not do as you like. . . 
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> > . . . Oh, my poor Judge, how deceived & bamboozled you have been 
> > only neither by O., myself D.K.M. nor any one else but our witty Dr. 
> > Hartmann! You do not know � though by this time you ought to � what 
> > a hard, arduous task is probationary chelaship. You have failed once 
> > before, and still the Master was ready to receive you back. You went 
> > to Adyar and fell into the snares of a jealous, envious, cunning, 
> > malicious and wicked man. May the Master � who I know pities you � 
> > be permitted to forgive your weakness & lack of trust in those who 
> > have always loved & regarded you as a brother! Were there 
> > no "Master" would I, after what you say of us and your leaving Adyar 
> > & us in the lurch, still love you?. . . .
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> > �But you have always mistrusted me. You called me "mean" in one of 
> > your letters to O. about Wimb. & Sarah Cowles[?] & you have never 
> > had but half a faith in me. Well, my friendship for you of nine 
> > years is unaffected by all this. May the Powers that be grant you 
> > peace & happiness, is the sincere wish of yours ever.
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